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#2998811 07/04/20 08:18 PM
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Hello,

Instead of calling notes "quarters notes, eighth notes, etc." I sometimes hear people calling them "quavers, semi-quavers, etc." What is the latter group of note names called and when would one use it as opposed to the former?

Thank you!

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I think it's mainly our UK friends that talk in quavers. Kind of threw me for a loop when I first started noticing it too...I wondered if my theory classes had been somehow deficient...

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As Scriabinfanatic says. Here’s a handy little conversion chart:

https://www.dummies.com/art-center/music/piano/note-names-in-the-u-s-and-u-k/


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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Hello,

Instead of calling notes "quarters notes, eighth notes, etc." I sometimes hear people calling them "quavers, semi-quavers, etc." What is the latter group of note names called and when would one use it as opposed to the former?
Easy.

If you call a boot a "trunk", a nappy a "diaper", a pavement a "sidewalk" and trousers "pants", you wouldn't bother with crotchets or minims or hemidemisemiquavers.

Stick with fractions instead.

The rest of us will stay with those quaint but adorable terms thumb yippie.


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North Americans speak English 1 way, the Brits & Aussies speak English another way...

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... and we Canadians speak it yet another way.

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In Australia, students learn both terms. It makes sense to talk about whole notes, half notes etc as well as semibreves and minims etc.

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You think that's confusing? Wait until you hear someone talk about Chopin's H-mol prelude...

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I bought some German cassettes many years ago - wondered what B-mol was. Here's a translation of note names from 'English' to 'European' -
https://www.8notes.com/school/lessons/all/musical-note-names-in-different-languages.asp

'H-mol' just confused me further. Mol I believe is minor - can't remember what major is...


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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
You think that's confusing? Wait until you hear someone talk about Chopin's H-mol prelude...

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At least it hasn't got any Zweiunddreißigstel notes in it. Or, God forbid, any Einhundertachtundzwanzigstel thinngies.
Fractions are bad enough but when the numbers are reversed ... faint. Give me a good old hemidemisemiquaver any time!

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Originally Posted by petebfrance
I bought some German cassettes many years ago - wondered what B-mol was. Here's a translation of note names from 'English' to 'European' -
https://www.8notes.com/school/lessons/all/musical-note-names-in-different-languages.asp

'H-mol' just confused me further. Mol I believe is minor - can't remember what major is...

Major is 'dur'. But just to be clear wink B actually stands for B-flat and H stands for B. And if that's not confusing enough flat/sharp is indicated with -is and -es endings. For instance, Fis is F-sharp, Des is D-flat, etc. Except A-flat and E-flat, which is just As and Es. grin

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How do you play B.A.C.H. on a musical instrument?

Simple, you translate it into German:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO1ZfJSOCvQ

That's why everyone should also learn the German (and the French) way of doing things with (and to) music.


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One of my more high-strung music history profs in college ranted one day about how some student should have been thrown out of the grad program because he submitted a composition titled "Sonata in B" (pronounced "bay"). The piece was in B-flat. So the fella was showing off that he knew "B"/b-flat, but in the process he also clumsily and unknowingly mixed German and English, because the German word for sonata is sonate...so he should have titled it "Sonate B-dur." The prof went on ranting about how music students spend too much time in the practice room and not enough on academics...


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