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Hello,

I am curious; some may deem this a useless thread. What do you think are the worst works composed by the "great" composers? Are there any composers that you think did not compose a single flawed work?

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Wait, why did noone else (hint hint .. :-) thought of this topic before?


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Originally Posted by newport
Wait, why did noone else (hint hint .. :-) thought of this topic before?

Is this supposed to imply that this topic has already been discussed before? Sorry if it has.

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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Hello,

I am curious; some may deem this a useless thread.[...]

Yes; I agree.


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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Originally Posted by newport
Wait, why did noone else (hint hint .. :-) thought of this topic before?

Is this supposed to imply that this topic has already been discussed before? Sorry if it has.

The answer is no (which is good? :-)


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Ah okay. So this is a useless, poor, silly thread idea. Oh well. I cannot delete a post on Piano World, unfortunately.

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I was going to say this in the unpopular opinions thread but I bit my tongue for some reason. I feel that a significant portion of classical music is not terrifically inspired, and that includes music of the mighty Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. Their inspired-to-uninspired ratio is fairly low compared to someone like Chopin whose output, while much smaller, contains virtually no "duds" past the point when he reached maturity. Don't misunderstand me; I know these masters never wrote a "bad" piece of music, but a good chunk of the their output isn't very special. They were only human after all.

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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Ah okay. So this is a useless, poor, silly thread idea. Oh well. I cannot delete a post on Piano World, unfortunately.
I don't think it's useless.

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Ravel said that his worst masterpiece (which won him an ice-skating Winter Olympics Gold Medal, as well as a starring role in that great, great, great, great movie 10) was a piece without music.

The title escapes me, which is all for the better....... whistle


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Originally Posted by chopinetto
I was going to say this in the unpopular opinions thread but I bit my tongue for some reason. I feel that a significant portion of classical music is not terrifically inspired, and that includes music of the mighty Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. Their inspired-to-uninspired ratio is fairly low compared to someone like Chopin whose output, while much smaller, contains virtually no "duds" past the point when he reached maturity. Don't misunderstand me; I know these masters never wrote a "bad" piece of music, but a good chunk of the their output isn't very special. They were only human after all.
I think you're too obsessed with Chopin. Almost all your posts are about him. He was certainly a very great composer but many would not place him in as high a category as composers like Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven. Non pianists might not even rank him in the top ten composers.

Whether a piece or music is "inspired" or "very special" is to a large extent personal opinion. When did Chopin reach maturity?

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Depends on what you mean by flawed. Do you mean bad composition or uninspired or "I don't like"? When I studied composition with a teacher, my inspired compositions needed corrections here and here, and my uninspired composition homework exercises sometimes required no corrections at all.

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Now that I'm warming up, I'll add Luddy's worst masterpiece too.

Someone played him that piece, which the great man didn't recognize. He asked who wrote it, and when informed that the composer was he, himself, Luddy van, he exclaimed: "That piece of folly mine? Oh Beethoven! What an ass you are!"

He's given me permission to name that piece, so I will. It's WoO 80.


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As I'm now thoroughly warmed up, I'll include Wolfie's worst masterpiece for posterity. Though as he's the greatest composer who's ever lived, or ever likely to live, or will ever live, it's still a masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQg


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I think you're too obsessed with Chopin.
Do I say these things because I am obsessed, or am I obsessed because the things I say are true?

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...many would not place him in as high a category as composers like Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven.
I don't respect the opinion of anyone who believe this.

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Whether a piece or music is "inspired" or "very special" is to a large extent personal opinion.
Obviously.

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When did Chopin reach maturity?
Somewhere around opus 23.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
As I'm now thoroughly warmed up, I'll include Wolfie's worst masterpiece for posterity. Though as he's the greatest composer who's ever lived, or ever likely to live, or will ever live, it's still a masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQg

It's a wonderful piece of satire! It always makes me laugh. Supposedly Wolfie encountered his share of incompetent composers and instrumentalists and just wanted to have some fun at their expense. What a sense of humor he had!


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Originally Posted by bennevis
As I'm now thoroughly warmed up, I'll include Wolfie's worst masterpiece for posterity. Though as he's the greatest composer who's ever lived, or ever likely to live, or will ever live, it's still a masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQg
I don't know if it's his worst masterpiece, but there are plenty of works of him that are not masterpieces. Like most stuff he wrote before he was 16.

Edit to add: Bach, Beethoven and Shostakovich exist, therefore Mozart is not "the greatest composer who's ever lived, or ever likely to live". He may be one of the greatest, but thanks to the three I named, and probably more, he's not the only one.

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Sorry about the dumb question, probably due to me being a non-native English speaker. I guess it is considered a sign of affection and respect towards famous people to use diminutive names in English? In Bulgarian it's considered pretty vulgar and disrespectful (when used to refer to famous and respected people) and whenever I see these in your posts I have a brief moment of WTF laugh

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Sorry about the dumb question, probably due to me being a non-native English speaker. I guess it is considered a sign of affection and respect towards famous people to use diminutive names in English? In Bulgarian it's considered pretty vulgar and disrespectful (when used to refer to famous and respected people) and whenever I see these in your posts I have a brief moment of WTF laugh


Not all English speakers consider diminutive names a sign of respect.


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Sorry about the dumb question, probably due to me being a non-native English speaker. I guess it is considered a sign of affection and respect towards famous people to use diminutive names in English? In Bulgarian it's considered pretty vulgar and disrespectful (when used to refer to famous and respected people) and whenever I see these in your posts I have a brief moment of WTF laugh
I feel like I know them so well that I don't need to address them as Herr von Beethoven, or whatever wink . After all, I'm very familiar with most of their oeuvre, including playing or singing it.

Now, with people like Pancho Vladigerov, Dimitar Nenov or Emil Tabakov, I only know a few of their works, so I could hardly even address them by their first names......

Anyway, I'm not the first to use "Freddy" in PW, or "Wolfie" (the latter came from Constanze in Amadeus, I believe), though "Luddy" might have originated with me (after 'buddy' of course smirk ).


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Now, with people like Pancho Vladigerov, Dimitar Nenov or Emil Tabakov, I only know a few of their works, so I could hardly even address them by their first names......

The funny thing is the name Pancho is a rare one and coincidentally it follows one of the the formal rules of making a name diminutive (for instance my name is Evgeni and some people would call me Gencho just for the fun effect of it and anybody hearing it will lough out loud, so I really hate it :D), and thus you can't call Pancho more diminutive than that. He's our most famous composer. But Nenov is rather obscure and I have even tried to find scores or recordings and there's very little. He's most famous for his piano Toccata (which is somehow similar to the Prokofiev Toccata we discussed in another thread and is a staple of Bulgarian piano competitions). Tabakov is mostly known as a conductor IMO. As a composer I know his symphonies and I love them because they are very dark and almost horror-movie like wink


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