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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
fakeChopin #2997930 07/02/20 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fakeChopin
Does anyone have info (or even a guess) on the difference between GrandTouch and GrandTouch-S?

I’ll make a guess myself: GrandTouch uses wood, while the -S version uses plastic?

On that note, does the wood really make a difference? Folks who have tried wood and plastic, what difference did it make for you?
CLP-745 has wooden GrandTouch-S. I'm guessing S means small or short which may mean shorter key sticks.


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Hi guys. I want to ask if there is a difference between the grand touch in the clp 685 and the grand touch in the new clp 785?

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Originally Posted by fakeChopin
On that note, does the wood really make a difference? Folks who have tried wood and plastic, what difference did it make for you?

Night and day... the NWX keyboard feels quite* nice when I have tried it. Afterward, I have tried a GH3X and feel it too light under my finger.

(*quite... I reverse the “really nice” to the N1/N3 I have tried before)

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by Karim 888
Hi guys. I want to ask if there is a difference between the grand touch in the clp 685 and the grand touch in the new clp 785?

Won't know until it's out for you to try it.


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The Yamaha website now has the manual for the CLP-700 series on their website. It answers some of the questions and points of speculation in this thread, including the differences between models. However, things will be clearer when the first reviews start coming in.
https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/m...nova/clp-785/downloads.html#product-tabs


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #2997952 07/02/20 04:11 PM
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I was written something like Beowolf terms...

About feelings, the best thing to do is try by yourself. I had an hard time to feel differences between Yamaha wooden keyboards (NWX, GrandTouch, GrandTouch with counterweight). I mean, I didn’t feel much difference (But AvantGrand/NWX is night and day and the same is about NWX/GH3X). Then I am sure that GrandTouch and GrandTouch will feel quite comparable under my finger.


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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So the manual shows they have an SU7 sample but they do NOT have the fantastic U1 sample that's in the CP88. That's a huge let-down to me. The U1 sample was amazing

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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I don't see negative comments about these pianos. I see skepticism over the claims or expectations that they will be newer, bigger, better.
Originally Posted by rmnd
Well - hate to rain on the the troll parade, my suggestion would be to create a diferent "Let's be negative on a piano nobody has seen and I don't want to buy thread" for those posts.

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Something to keep an eye on for people interested in the CLP 700 series. Maybe this will answer a couple of questions we already have


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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
MacMacMac #2998118 07/03/20 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I don't see negative comments about these pianos. I see skepticism over the claims or expectations that they will be newer, bigger, better.

What do you like to have in a new Clavinova? And what is it that you don't like in the 6XX series that you wanted to see improved?

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The older thread wondered about a 725 model and actually it's already visible (by mistake?) on this site:

https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-725/features.html

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- 10 voices
- Improved VRM (Virtual Resonance Modeling)
- Grand Expression Modeling
- GrandTouch-S™ keyboard with synthetic ebony and ivory keytops
- 20 W x 2 amplifiers
- 12 cm x 2 speaker system
- Smart Pianist app integration

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For comparison the 735 specs:

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- 38 voices, including 2 fortepiano voices (Mozart Piano/Chopin Piano)
- Improved VRM (Virtual Resonance Modeling)
- Grand Expression Modeling
- GrandTouch-S™ keyboard with synthetic ebony and ivory keytops
- 30 W x 2 amplifiers
- 16 cm x 2 speaker system
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- 20 rhythms
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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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So, Grandtouch key action in the whole range.
Really looking forward to see the improvements... Specially in Gt-s variation.

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To my mind the big news is in "New CFX and Bosendorfer Imperial samples".

These could be a Kawai-style UPHI to HI-XL type deal where the basic sample sessions are the same and the same original recordings are used but they reconfigure them in some way. But it could be derived from a new recording session.

So, to recap:

New samples + new keyboard action + new sound engine and/or expression modelling + improved resonance modelling.

And still no one is happy. Everyone bitching away, slagging Yamaha off. No one has played one. Almost no one wants to give them a chance.

I'm thinking this has got to be a symptom of some wider malaise with life in general.


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Thank you EssBrace. I am in almost full agreement. There is far too much bitching, but not by ‘everyone’. I am looking forward to getting more information and eventually a full test drive to allow me to make up my own mind. I just ignore the mindless bitching.
I have owned both Yamaha and Kawai digital pianos, all of them good, but none of them perfect. As the saying goes, accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.
I look forward to constructive feedback from members who are interested enough to actually try the pianos when they arrive, and hopefully you will be one of them.

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I'm OK with the bitching, and I myself do it often, but only when the pianos are available and we have tested them.

There's an announcement, seems like many things are new: new samples, new sound engine, new action. How come that's so bad?


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No new action, only grandtouch-S on lower models... The higher models have the same grandtouch action as in the clp 600 series.

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I've ridiculed Yamaha quite a fair bit. The reason is that when I first went to test their instruments, I had great expectations - mostly because of the Bösendorfer sampling, since I am a Bösendorfer fan - but the action on both the 675 and 685 were so artificial, so unlike any acoustic I had ever played, that it seemed to me as if Yamaha were not at all trying to simulate the feel of an acoustic. I felt deceived, although it was of no direct relevance to me, since I was in the market for something much cheaper. Ultimately I got the Roland FP-30, whose action I considered (and still consider) vastly superior to that of the CLP-685.


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Originally Posted by mwf
No new action, only grandtouch-S on lower models... The higher models have the same grandtouch action as in the clp 600 series.

Yamaha have changed their GH-action throughout the years (slightly but still) without any confirmation about that. Without testing the new action, we don't know for sure if it's exactly the same. For instance I also hated the CLP-675 action, the initial friction was unnatural to me. Maybe they reduced that friction without having to come up with new name for the action, or use versioning like Kawai actions.


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