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Re: Buying piano overseas , help me decide
Michel-Violin-Pian #2997204 06/30/20 06:21 PM
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Don't buy an FP30 until you try it first. It's a very heavy action, not suitable for everyone. You must try playing fast pieces on it before making the decision if you can handle the weight. 60-65 grams doesn't sound like much, but add that up across hundreds of notes, and chords it's suddenly alot.

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Michel-Violin-Pian #2997525 07/01/20 11:24 AM
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I actually prefer heavy action , that's why I considered this model
Though if we have kawais in here I would definitely go for es8
Sadly no kawais here at all

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Michel-Violin-Pian #2997589 07/01/20 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Michel-Violin-Pian
I actually prefer heavy action , that's why I considered this model
Though if we have kawais in here I would definitely go for es8
Sadly no kawais here at all

There are different kinds of Heavy. The force curve is extremely dissimilar to real pianos. and it's very fatiguing to play. TRY IT first.

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Originally Posted by Michel-Violin-Pian
I actually prefer heavy action , that's why I considered this model
Though if we have kawais in here I would definitely go for es8
Sadly no kawais here at all

There are different kinds of Heavy. The force curve is extremely dissimilar to real pianos. and it's very fatiguing to play. TRY IT first.

Will do that , warning well noted

Re: Buying piano overseas , help me decide
Michel-Violin-Pian #2997964 07/02/20 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Michel-Violin-Pian
After lot's of thought I think I'm gonna buy a digital (though I hate them) , sadly we don't have the good kawai here.
After all I'm not a pianist I'm a violinist and piano enthusiast.
As for the Yamaha u1 it's only New and it's like 5 times my budget 😢

A digital is probably the least risky proposition.
I can understand that it might not be ideal.
And I do admire your vision, and willingness to think big!



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Re: Buying piano overseas , help me decide
Michel-Violin-Pian #2998597 07/04/20 10:13 AM
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Michel,
It's so sad that you have to jump through so many hoops to get a decent instrument. I like your determination!

At the risk of sounding stupid in giving you "obvious" advice here are a few suggestions:

1) digital: when I was on the marked for one, after having carefully studied specs, reviews and what people here on this forum wrote, I thought that the Kawai ES100 would have been good, the ES8 would have been great and the Casio Privia PX150 would have been decent. After I tried them, the Priva was good, the ES100 was bad and the ES8 was horrible. I ended up with an used Kawai CA750 which was great, and I then updated to a (also used) Yamaha NU1 which is fantastic. You may have a different experience, but as other have said, what you read on paper (screen) sometimes is very different from what you experience, especially but not only with digital. As I background, my main instrument is an acoustic piano, the digital is secondary.

2) buying oversee: kudos for the boldness. Given high expenses in shipping, I suggest discussing with the various piano technicians you mentioned if they know somebody who did it in the past. They may have learned "the hard way" something useful, e.g. an additional undocumented tax to pay. You may also discuss if there is anybody willing to buy an instrument with you this way: the shipping costs and the bargaining power with the seller may be better.

3) If you have not already, consider https://www.thomannmusic.com/ -- they do a lot of worldwide shipping! What they have available for shipping to you might be out of your budget (I think their cheapest new acoustic piano is euro 2800), but you can still email them and ask. They may have experience with the shipping to your place, import duties etc and may give good advice you. For example, is the hefty 55% levied on both new and used instruments? Moreover, I think they carry used instrument, but they may not have them on the website because people want to try them in person, so they tell that option only to walk-ins -- it's worth asking if you don't see these instruments online.

As I said, just my $0.02

I wish you the best!
D.

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If you bought overseas of course Italy is perhaps also nearest if you are thinking of Europe.
South Africa is an option and perhaps cheaper.But I would suggest a dealer because there is a lot of crime and you may be be scammed.It never used to be like that there but now is a fact of life.
If you look online for KLAVIANO it may point you to available pianos world wide.,new and used. I think that is how you spell it. It is mainly accoustic pianos though.

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Originally Posted by Del Vento
Michel,
It's so sad that you have to jump through so many hoops to get a decent instrument. I like your determination!

At the risk of sounding stupid in giving you "obvious" advice here are a few suggestions:

1) digital: when I was on the marked for one, after having carefully studied specs, reviews and what people here on this forum wrote, I thought that the Kawai ES100 would have been good, the ES8 would have been great and the Casio Privia PX150 would have been decent. After I tried them, the Priva was good, the ES100 was bad and the ES8 was horrible. I ended up with an used Kawai CA750 which was great, and I then updated to a (also used) Yamaha NU1 which is fantastic. You may have a different experience, but as other have said, what you read on paper (screen) sometimes is very different from what you experience, especially but not only with digital. As I background, my main instrument is an acoustic piano, the digital is secondary.

2) buying oversee: kudos for the boldness. Given high expenses in shipping, I suggest discussing with the various piano technicians you mentioned if they know somebody who did it in the past. They may have learned "the hard way" something useful, e.g. an additional undocumented tax to pay. You may also discuss if there is anybody willing to buy an instrument with you this way: the shipping costs and the bargaining power with the seller may be better.

3) If you have not already, consider https://www.thomannmusic.com/ -- they do a lot of worldwide shipping! What they have available for shipping to you might be out of your budget (I think their cheapest new acoustic piano is euro 2800), but you can still email them and ask. They may have experience with the shipping to your place, import duties etc and may give good advice you. For example, is the hefty 55% levied on both new and used instruments? Moreover, I think they carry used instrument, but they may not have them on the website because people want to try them in person, so they tell that option only to walk-ins -- it's worth asking if you don't see these instruments online.

As I said, just my $0.02

I wish you the best!
D.

Thanks for the many good advice and your wishes 😊

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