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Re: Piano for PianoTeq
nicknameTaken #2968938 04/19/20 06:33 PM
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Hello dear pianists,

I'm currently searching for a Piano that has MIDI capabilities that works well with PianoTeq.
Budget must be below 1000 EUR, preferably even way less. Already figured that ROLAND-FP30 isn't my choice because there is no dedicated MIDI out.
I plan to use the piano for 12 months - temporarily - and sell it afterwards.
It should be only be there for practice reasons.

Having a Roland RPU-3 here, would be great if I could use it.

Remembering Yamaha P45 was good, but is there a better alternative right now?
Knowing of Roland A88 MKii, but in doubt if I would like it...

Please share your knowledge smile

Thanks
1000 euro isn't that little. On the used market, you could get an MP7 easily with that.


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Re: Piano for PianoTeq
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
1000 euro isn't that little. On the used market, you could get an MP7 easily with that.

Like YOURS, for instance !!!! LOL ....


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Have you looked into the Hammer 88? Its a controller only, no speakers or built-in sounds, but it is a good value being like $450 or so.There's also the StudioLogic SL 88 Grand controller for $900.

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I wonder why this is continuing. Roland FP-30 is already on the way.
I will have to use the USB connection.

Thanks for the help, though.

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I've used my FP-30 with PianoTeq for months, never noticed the slightest bit of latency. I'm sure a precise measurement would show some, but it's undetectable to my ear. Enjoy your new FP-30!


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Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I wonder why this is continuing.

Once you've started it you lose all control of it. It just carries on. Sometimes it stops but starts again after several weeks, months, or years.

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Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
I wonder why this is continuing.

Once you've started it you lose all control of it. It just carries on. Sometimes it stops but starts again after several weeks, months, or years.

You're right; it does! Maybe it needs no reason to do this. But it's not the least interesting posting here, is it? I usually manage to do those . . . . . grin


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I've used my FP-30 with PianoTeq for months, never noticed the slightest bit of latency. I'm sure a precise measurement would show some, but it's undetectable to my ear. Enjoy your new FP-30!
But the keyboard controller is (virtually?) never the source of noticeable latency. That latency is created on the computer that's receiving and processing the midi data.

I just set up a Windows laptop to work with my FP-10 using Garritan CFX Lite and Pianoteq Demo. I think the host app for the Pianoteq demo was good with latency right off the bat (I might have had to lower the sample size, easy adjustment within the app). But I had to install ASIO4ALL driver and tweak a couple things to get it working well with Garritan CFX. Now I can't tell any difference, latency-wise, from playing with the FP-10 internal sounds.

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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I've used my FP-30 with PianoTeq for months, never noticed the slightest bit of latency. I'm sure a precise measurement would show some, but it's undetectable to my ear. Enjoy your new FP-30!
But the keyboard controller is (virtually?) never the source of noticeable latency. That latency is created on the computer that's receiving and processing the midi data.
This depends on the quality of the (USB/MIDI) driver supplied for the keyboard. All modern keyboards have decent drivers, but a keyboard without manufacturer supplied driver for your OS (old keyboard with Mojave, etc.) could cause problems.

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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I've used my FP-30 with PianoTeq for months, never noticed the slightest bit of latency. I'm sure a precise measurement would show some, but it's undetectable to my ear. Enjoy your new FP-30!
But the keyboard controller is (virtually?) never the source of noticeable latency. That latency is created on the computer that's receiving and processing the midi data.

Got'cha, but wasn't the OP worried that its USB (rather than 5-pin) MIDI was an issue? Perhaps I misunderstood.


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
Got'cha, but wasn't the OP worried that its USB (rather than 5-pin) MIDI was an issue? Perhaps I misunderstood.

Ah, I think you're right. I assumed OP wanted the option to easily connect the keyboard to other midi gear that had only a 5-pin jack, but your interpretation sounds more plausible.

Maybe OP has heard about USB latency issues, and thinks somehow using the 5-pin midi jack can avoid that. But if you're sending midi to a computer it will be processed on the USB bus, no getting around it. (If sending from 5-pin jack on keyboard then you need an add-on midi-to-usb interface to get it onto the computer.)

Yes, people talk about resolving latency issues with USB, but those issues are almost always having to do with the creation and transport of the audio data on the computer, not to do with the transport of midi data to the computer. The midi data is just a handful of bytes, very small amount of data. In comparison the audio data is many millions of bytes.

So, yes, you may have to resolve latency issues related to "USB audio" (not USB-midi) on the computer. But connecting to the computer from a 5-pin midi jack on the keyboard wouldn't change that.

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An internal sound card with direct legacy MIDI IN was mentioned, so that was the point of not using USB.

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A88mk2, and you can assign Pianoteq controls to Mk2.
Lighter and sleeker than fp30
Usb, midi 2.0 and midi out.

In fact, on paper, a88 mk2 looks awesome.
Some say that the key it's a 2020 pha4 version with a slightly lighter feel, also found on Rd88.

At the time, we don't have a expressive numbers of a88mk2 reviews.

Anyone?!

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If you are buying something, selling it a year later, and using it only for MIDI, I would suggest the used market. Everything there has already depreciated so you will be able to sell it for pretty much what you bought it for, most likely.

Digital pianos have improved over the years, both in terms of action and sound. Sound has improved much more, and MIDI capability has basically stood completely still. A slightly older digital from the used market will likely be as good or better than what you would buy new as a MIDI controller. In fact, I think older pianos are more likely to have the 5 pin MIDI as the trend has been toward USB midi.

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