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Re: Ten piano works that a pianist must learn (or know, or hear)
bennevis #2994114 06/22/20 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bennevis
The Schumann Fantasie has everything for a discerning pianist and musician - a test of his ability to be spontaneous yet with a long integrated view of the whole, be able to change moods abruptly on a hairpin yet sound totally convincing in every aspect, convey deep pathos without sentimentality........and last but not least, show off his chops and elicit a "Bravo!" from his audience (albeit in the wrong place wink ).

What more could any pianist want? It's in the rep of every concert pianist who doesn't turn up his nose at Romantic music thumb.

You have it right down to a T. It was known as the "acid test of a virtuoso" because it tested everything required to be a good pianist.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
OK, I know that it's impossible to make such a list...

Certainly! Anyway:

Bach - Goldberg Variations
Mozart - K.332
Beethoven - Opus 111
Chopin - Ballade 4 / Mazurkas Op.59
Liszt - Sonata B minor
Debussy - Preludes, Book 1
Ravel - Gaspard de la Nuit
Prokofiev - Sonata 7
Schumann - Kinderszenen
Messiaen - Vingt Regards sur l'enfant-Jésus

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bennevis #2995029 06/25/20 08:58 AM
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Bach's WTC
Beethoven's Piano Sonatas

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bennevis #2995197 06/25/20 06:52 PM
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I know you won't believe this but I happen to agree with all of the above. If you're making a list and you have Ravel, you don't really need Debussy. My Mariinsky piano teacher felt that the Chopin Mazurkas were his most representative compositions. They say Fred's Fourth Ballade "takes 20 minutes to play, 2 years to learn and 20 years to mature." Actually, if you are going into the heavy duty piano biz, you really need all of the above PLUS...I might add at this point that the Cliburn requires you to learn one composition overnight and it's not easy. My coach, Egon Petri once told me a funny story (he had a lot of funny stories) about the Jaromir Schwanda Fantasy that you-all would just love...more later.

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bennevis #2995265 06/26/20 01:06 AM
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Wiener Urtext and the International Institute for Piano Pedagogy (IIPP) came up with the following list of pieces:
  • Johann Sebastian Bach, Toccata in E minor BWV 914
  • Domenico Scarlatti, Two Sonatas in G major K. 259 and 260
  • Joseph Haydn, Sonata in A flat major Hob. XVI:46
  • Joseph Haydn, Embellishments by Robert D. Levin
  • Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Adagio in B minor K. 540
  • Ludwig van Beethoven, Sonata in C minor Op. 10/1
  • Franz Schubert, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 90/3
  • Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy, Lied ohne Worte in G minor Op. 53/3
  • Frédéric Chopin, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 51
  • Robert Schumann, Arabeske in C major Op. 18
  • Franz Liszt, Liebestraum No. 3 in A flat major
  • Louis Moreau Gottschalk, Le Bananier Op. 5
  • Johannes Brahms, Rhapsody in G minor Op. 79/2
  • Edvard Grieg, Albumblad
  • Isaac Albéniz, Prélude from Chants d'Espagne Op. 232/1
  • Claude Debussy, Prélude X (La Cathédrale engloutie)
  • Scott Joplin, Maple Leaf Rag
  • Sergej Rachmaninoff, Prélude in C sharp minor Op. 3/2
  • Arnold Schoenberg, Six Little Piano Pieces Op. 19

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Re: Ten piano works that a pianist must learn (or know, or hear)
bennevis #2996466 06/28/20 04:54 PM
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this is an impossible question as you know, but as an alpinist, I just go up whatever the difficulties will be and try to enjoy the the view, I didn't see the other's lists, so this might double answers, and in random order the result is:

Bach: Goldberg Variations
Beethoven: Waldstein sonata
Schubert: Sonata D.960
Chopin: Sonata 3
Schumann: Fantasie
Liszt: Sonata
Brahms: Händel Variations
Moussorgski: Pictures of an exhibition
Debussy: études
Ravel: Gaspard de la nuit

I'm so sorry that Mozart/Haydn/Scriabin/Poulenc/Reger/Rachmaninov/Ligeti/Gershwin/Saint-Saëns/Alkan e.a. didn't make it, but they would be beautiful foothills to these summits. "Climb every mountain..."


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Messiaen: Catalogue d'Oiseaux (full)

Re: Ten piano works that a pianist must learn (or know, or hear)
Tyrone Slothrop #2999622 07/06/20 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wiener Urtext and the International Institute for Piano Pedagogy (IIPP) came up with the following list of pieces:
  • Johann Sebastian Bach, Toccata in E minor BWV 914
  • Domenico Scarlatti, Two Sonatas in G major K. 259 and 260
  • Joseph Haydn, Sonata in A flat major Hob. XVI:46
  • Joseph Haydn, Embellishments by Robert D. Levin
  • Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Adagio in B minor K. 540
  • Ludwig van Beethoven, Sonata in C minor Op. 10/1
  • Franz Schubert, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 90/3
  • Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy, Lied ohne Worte in G minor Op. 53/3
  • Frédéric Chopin, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 51
  • Robert Schumann, Arabeske in C major Op. 18
  • Franz Liszt, Liebestraum No. 3 in A flat major
  • Louis Moreau Gottschalk, Le Bananier Op. 5
  • Johannes Brahms, Rhapsody in G minor Op. 79/2
  • Edvard Grieg, Albumblad
  • Isaac Albéniz, Prélude from Chants d'Espagne Op. 232/1
  • Claude Debussy, Prélude X (La Cathédrale engloutie)
  • Scott Joplin, Maple Leaf Rag
  • Sergej Rachmaninoff, Prélude in C sharp minor Op. 3/2
  • Arnold Schoenberg, Six Little Piano Pieces Op. 19

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The present anthology groups together piano music of considerable stylistic breadth, but a narrower band of difficulty. It consists of entry level concert repertoire ranging from baroque works and complete classical sonatas to individual late romantic and early 20th century character pieces. The standard repertoire has been juxtaposed with some lesser-known works, giving the performer the option of compiling a musically contrasting and technically diverse program. The music in the present collection covers levels that are compatible with the following international grading criteria: UK: Grade 8 to First diploma level, US/Canada: Grade 10 and above.

These are great works but not concert level pieces. I suppose they are great gateways into concert level works.

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achoo42 #2999624 07/06/20 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wiener Urtext and the International Institute for Piano Pedagogy (IIPP) came up with the following list of pieces:
  • Johann Sebastian Bach, Toccata in E minor BWV 914
  • Domenico Scarlatti, Two Sonatas in G major K. 259 and 260
  • Joseph Haydn, Sonata in A flat major Hob. XVI:46
  • Joseph Haydn, Embellishments by Robert D. Levin
  • Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Adagio in B minor K. 540
  • Ludwig van Beethoven, Sonata in C minor Op. 10/1
  • Franz Schubert, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 90/3
  • Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy, Lied ohne Worte in G minor Op. 53/3
  • Frédéric Chopin, Impromptu in G flat major Op. 51
  • Robert Schumann, Arabeske in C major Op. 18
  • Franz Liszt, Liebestraum No. 3 in A flat major
  • Louis Moreau Gottschalk, Le Bananier Op. 5
  • Johannes Brahms, Rhapsody in G minor Op. 79/2
  • Edvard Grieg, Albumblad
  • Isaac Albéniz, Prélude from Chants d'Espagne Op. 232/1
  • Claude Debussy, Prélude X (La Cathédrale engloutie)
  • Scott Joplin, Maple Leaf Rag
  • Sergej Rachmaninoff, Prélude in C sharp minor Op. 3/2
  • Arnold Schoenberg, Six Little Piano Pieces Op. 19

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The present anthology groups together piano music of considerable stylistic breadth, but a narrower band of difficulty. It consists of entry level concert repertoire ranging from baroque works and complete classical sonatas tndividual late romantic and early 20th century character pieces. The standard repertoire has been juxtaposed with some lesser-known works, giving the performer the option of compiling a musically contrasting and technically diverse program. The music in the present collection covers levels that are compatible with the following international grading criteria: UK: Grade 8 to First diploma level, US/Canada: Grade 10 and above.
That collection has little to do with the OPs question. It's an attempt to get a large variety of composers and choose pieces of moderate difficulty. Some of the composers didn't write any piano music that would generally be listed in the top ten. For the better composers in the anthology most of the compositions would not usually be considered their greatest work,

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I feel that the early repertoire is being ignored:

Bach: Anna Magdelena
Bach: Two-Part Inventions
Shumann: Album for the Young
Burgmuller: (don't remember what it is called)
Clementi: Sonatinas (I think they could be treated as one work)
Grieg: Lyric Pieces
Kabalevsky: Children's Pieces (?)
Beethoven: Op. 49
Mozart: C Major Sonata
Tchaikovsky: Album for the Young

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bennevis #3003876 07/18/20 06:16 AM
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Franz Liszt’s Liebestraum 3 should be on anybody’s list of 10 best piano pieces ever written


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Nandoh #3003913 07/18/20 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Nandoh
Franz Liszt’s Liebestraum 3 should be on anybody’s list of 10 best piano pieces ever written

Why? I don't think it's even one of Liszt's top 10 best piano pieces.

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bennevis #3003920 07/18/20 10:01 AM
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My Liszt list would be:

1. Bénédiction de Dieu dans la Solitude
2. Reminiscences de Norma
3. Transcendental Etude No.12 "Chasse Neige"
4. Sonata in B Minor
5. Transcendental Etude No.11 "Harmonies du Soir"
6. Après une lecture du Dante
7. Transcendental Etude No.5 "Feux Follets"
8. Reminiscences de Don Juan
9. Vallee d'Obermann
10. Transcendental Etude No.4 "Mazeppa"

Notwithstanding the transcriptions of the Beethoven Symphonies and Berlioz's Symphonie-Fantastique, which are masterworks on their own. If I included entire sets I would put in a word for the beautiful Album d'un voyageur, Impressions et Poésies.

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