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Re: Most Over-played Piano Pieces
Sweelinck #2994130 06/22/20 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
The theme is from an old Spanish folk melody La Folia. Handel, Liszt, Corelli, and Rachmaninov all wrote variations on the theme, Rachmaninov attributing it to Corelli.


Some editions of Handel HWV 437 leave out the Prelude, and the Handel Sonatina that was categorized as HWV 581 was actually scored as the final movement of HWV 437, but is not included in many editions of the suite.

It is actually one of those assimilations that circulate a lot. The Folia was initially a dance of portuguese origin probably. There are several versions of the tune and yes dozens of composers wrote on it like with the romanesca and the passamezzo. But the Haendel Sarabande is actually not a folia and Haendel never really wrote any as the dance was in his time already completely obsolete. There are similarities and probably that Haendel did get inspired by it (just as he did get inspired by other tunes from other composers) as there is a resemblance in the framework but the melody and harmonic sequence are different. There are other composers who also wrote pieces which have similarities with the folia without being one.

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J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2


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As much as I love Chopin, the Nocturne op.9, No2 is overplayed so much I tend to skip it when playing the Nocturnes in a row, although it’s very nice frown

But as Sweelinck said, I’m OK listening to all these mentioned here when played well.


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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2

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Re: Most Over-played Piano Pieces
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2

I haven't heard at least half of those shocked This is really odd. How come those are overplayed pieces? I searched some of them and they sound like beginner's pieces. One explanation might be that these are overplayed at beginner level exams/concerts?


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Yes, @CyberGene, it looks like a piano teacher's perspective (see AZNpiano's profile).

Interesting that when I was (abortively) learning violin Beethoven's Minuet in G would be on that list. Whenever 'minuet in G' is mentioned, that's the one I think of, not the 'Bach' one (which apparently was written by Bach).


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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2

I haven't heard at least half of those shocked This is really odd. How come those are overplayed pieces? I searched some of them and they sound like beginner's pieces. One explanation might be that these are overplayed at beginner level exams/concerts?

Yes, those are all student pieces, at least in the US. The teachers teach what they know. Go to a student recital and you will probably hear something from that list.

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Ahh, right, from a piano teacher’s perspective it all makes sense now! Totally forgot about that. My mother in law is a piano teacher for children, I should ask her if those are also popular in Bulgaria.


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Crap, I just learned To A Wild Rose.


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Crap, I just learned To A Wild Rose.
Lucky you! A great piece!

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petebfrance #2994430 06/23/20 04:18 PM
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Yes, @CyberGene, it looks like a piano teacher's perspective (see AZNpiano's profile).

Interesting that when I was (abortively) learning violin Beethoven's Minuet in G would be on that list. Whenever 'minuet in G' is mentioned, that's the one I think of, not the 'Bach' one (which apparently was written by Bach).

If you are talking about the "everybody and their mother played it" Minuet in G, it's actually by Christian Petzold. There is another one in AMBN whose composer is unknown. Both of these Minuet in G should be banned from teaching.

And, yes, those are from exam and recital programs for students K-12. Some of those pieces you will hear 30 times per year. I am not making this up. If I need to sit through another Arabesque by Burgmuller, I'd rather commit seppuku.


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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
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Yes, @CyberGene, it looks like a piano teacher's perspective (see AZNpiano's profile).

Interesting that when I was (abortively) learning violin Beethoven's Minuet in G would be on that list. Whenever 'minuet in G' is mentioned, that's the one I think of, not the 'Bach' one (which apparently was written by Bach).

If you are talking about the "everybody and their mother played it" Minuet in G, it's actually by Christian Petzold. There is another one in AMBN whose composer is unknown. Both of these Minuet in G should be banned from teaching.

And, yes, those are from exam and recital programs for students K-12. Some of those pieces you will hear 30 times per year. I am not making this up. If I need to sit through another Arabesque by Burgmuller, I'd rather commit seppuku.

Whoops - I meant to type (which apparently was not written by Bach). So yes, the Petzold one, but I'd forgotten how to spell his name blush


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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
If I need to sit through another Arabesque by Burgmuller, I'd rather commit seppuku.
Geez, I didn’t know that and looked it up and it brought such a weird memory now!

My sister is seven years older than me. My mom plays piano as a hobby and apparently wanted for my sister to learn piano too and so my sister started at seven. What’s funny is I didn’t know much about that until I was myself 7 and discovered a cassette at home on which my mother recorded how my sister plays this Arabesque and stops at the middle while crying all over it and my mom audibly angry and agitated. Turns out my sister has reached this level of piano study (I don’t know, 6 months? A year?) faking it she can read notes but actually just looking my mom’s arms and recreating it. And that was the day my mom learned and is almost abusively mad at her by asking her calmly but firmly in Bulgarian “OK now, play it! OK? Off the score! You don’t know how? OK. So, you lied to me“. To which my sister says crying “Why do you speak in such a calm manner when you are recording? And you scream at me otherwise!” 🤣 So she never played piano again... (she started learning flute in her late teens and became a very good hobby flutist who can also read scores, so all was not lost). But yeah, I’ve totally forgotten about that melody and it suddenly came out of the depths of my then kid’s mind as something that brings horror to children 🤣

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2

I haven't heard at least half of those shocked This is really odd. How come those are overplayed pieces? I searched some of them and they sound like beginner's pieces. One explanation might be that these are overplayed at beginner level exams/concerts?
All piano teachers know these.They are standard repertoire of many piano pupils.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
J.S. Bach Prelude in C from WTC-I
J.S. Bach Short Prelude in C, BWV 939
J.S. Bach Invention Nos. 1, 4, 8, 13, 14
Several pieces from AMBN (Minuet in G, Minuet in G, Musette in D, and Polonaise in Gm)
Krieger Minuet in A minor
Graupner Bourree in E minor

Clementi Op. 36 Sonatinas No. 1 and No. 3
Kuhlau Sonatinas Op. 20 No. 1 and Op. 55 No. 1
Mozart Sonata in C K. 545
Beethoven Ecossaise in G (WoO 23)
Beethoven Russian Folk Song, Op. 107, No. 3
Beethoven Sonatinas in G and F
Beethoven Fur Elise
Beethoven Sonata in G Major, Op. 49, No. 2

Schumann The Wild Rider
Burgmuller Op. 100 Arabesque, Ballade, Tarantella, Knight Errant
Tchaikovsky Op. 39 Neapolitan Song, Waltz, Reverie
Chopin Waltz in A minor, Op. Posthumous
Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Op. Posthumous
MacDowell To a Wild Rose

Kabalevsky Op. 39 The Clown
Kabalevsky Op. 27 Sonatina, Toccatina
Kabalevsky Op. 60 Dance, Toccata
Prokofiev Op. 65 March, Tarantella
Bartok For Children Book 1, Nos. 5, 6, 15
Bartok Evening in the Country
Ginastera Danzas Argentinas No. 2

I haven't heard at least half of those shocked This is really odd. How come those are overplayed pieces? I searched some of them and they sound like beginner's pieces. One explanation might be that these are overplayed at beginner level exams/concerts?
All piano teachers know these.They are standard repertoire of many piano pupils.

No Cuckoo Waltz - J.E.Jonasson or Schumann Happy Farmer?

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No Cuckoo Waltz - J.E.Jonasson or Schumann Happy Farmer?

I've taught the Jonasson piece exactly twice. The problem is that, by the time the little students can reach an octave, they have already gone way past that piece in terms of difficulty. And I have yet to hear ANY student play that piece anywhere. I guess it's not taught in America.

The Happy Farmer is played a fair bit, but nowhere as much as The Wild Rider. I never teach either one. I prefer May Sweet May and Knight Ruppert from that set. My go-to books for Romantic pieces at that level are Streabbog Op. 63, Gretchaninov Op. 98, and Burgmuller Op. 100.


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