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Acoustic piano vs digital piano
#2991606 06/15/20 07:34 AM
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I have a Toyo upright piano and was thinking if I should get maybe a Yamaha digital piano?
I think digital pianos sound more clearer? What are the pros of changing to a digital piano and do you recommend it ? The downside of having an acoustic piano is that it gets out of tuned..
Are you able to record just an audio from a digital piano directly ?

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Just try them out ; you'll soon know!. . . You can record audio and MIDI from the digital piano.


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The acoustic is overrated as compared to top-of-the-line digitals.

It’s akin to owning a 1950s oldmobile (get it? a play on Oldsmobile), and spending your life and savings to keep it going; all whilst convincing yourself that new Toyotas are for pu$$ys and will never feel and/or drive like an antique that represents a nostalgic perspective of things related to a time long gone!

Steinway has been cashing in on this hand-made nostalgia but its days are counted (10 years give or take). No one cares about their so-called ‘there’s a Steinway waiting to be discovered, out there, with your name on it’.

If your name is Tim Cook, then by all means go get your Steinway D; if your’e everyone else, buy a hybrid and save the rest for a condo! grin

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Originally Posted by Prestzie
I have a Toyo upright piano and was thinking if I should get maybe a Yamaha digital piano?
I think digital pianos sound more clearer? What are the pros of changing to a digital piano and do you recommend it ? The downside of having an acoustic piano is that it gets out of tuned..
Are you able to record just an audio from a digital piano directly ?

All advice about your predicament is price dependent.
Lots of money? We can recommend silent pianos that are the best of both worlds.
Lots of money but want a grand action-->Hybrid pianos might be for you.
Ridiculous amounts of money: Welcome to the world of the TransAcoustic piano.

Lots of things to offer, no price point to judge your options.


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Prestzie #2991663 06/15/20 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Prestzie
I have a Toyo upright piano and was thinking if I should get maybe a Yamaha digital piano?

Maybe. Or a Roland, Kawai, Korg, Casio, Dexibell for example.

Originally Posted by Prestzie
I think digital pianos sound more clearer?

Possibly. Not necessarily. That really depends on what we consider "clear".

A digital piano might have no resonances (simulation) at all or much weaker resonances than an acoustic. So the sound might be more clear.

It might also have a very bright sound. (Or not. Or it probably has variations of the same sound. Some brighter, some more muffled.)

The sound from the speakers could be muffled and then it's not "clear". But not necessarily. The speakers could also be fine.

Things are not that straightforward.

Originally Posted by Prestzie
What are the pros of changing to a digital piano and do you recommend it?

No need to tune. Possible to play with headphones. It might have several sounds to choose from and might even provide some tweaking possibilities.

There's likely a built-in metronome.

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Prestzie #2991671 06/15/20 12:16 PM
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So you’re saying a digital can be resonant......or not.
It can be bright......or muffled....
The speakers could be clear...or not (they could be fine).

I almost forgot: ‘There’s likely a metronome’.....or not?

An acoustic can only be one thing.......or not! smirk

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Prestzie #2991674 06/15/20 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Prestzie
I have a Toyo upright piano and was thinking if I should get maybe a Yamaha digital piano?

(a) I think digital pianos sound more clearer?

(b) What are the pros of changing to a digital piano and do you recommend it ? The downside of having an acoustic piano is that it gets out of tuned..
(c) Are you able to record just an audio from a digital piano directly ?

(a) Yes, a digital piano will sound "clearer" than an acoustic piano.

But that doesn't mean it sounds _better_ than an acoustic piano. The digital piano (especially if it is cheap) has a simpler sound, without the complexity of an acoustic piano's sound.

(b) . . . No tuning is needed;

. . . many digital pianos have built-in sound (audio) recorders;

. . . you can use headphones, so
. . . . . you don't bother other people;
. . . . . . noise in the house doesn't bother you.

. . . lots of different sounds are available -- organ,
. . . . . . electric pianos, etc

. . . You can transpose the keyboard to a different key,
. . . . . by pressing buttons;

. . . Digital pianos are lighter than acoustics --
. . . . they are easier to move;

. . . . . If the DP is "portable" or "slab" or "stage piano",
. . . . . one person can lift it off its stand,
. . . . . and carry it outside the house, or store it in a closet,
. . . . . . or store it under a bed.

. . . Almost all DP's have "MIDI output",
. . . . which can be used to control other electronic
. . . . instruments (including "virtual instruments" that
. . . . run on a computer.

(c) Many DP's (not _all_ DP's) let you plug in a thumb drive ("USB drive") and record audio onto it.

Most DP's that don't have audio recording, have a way of recording MIDI data (key-press data, not sound) that you can play back through the DP at a later time.

Or they will let you use a computer to record MIDI.

You really have to try out a few DP's, to see what's available, and whether you'll be happy with the sound or not.


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Prestzie #2991675 06/15/20 12:22 PM
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There are so many different digital pianos.

...and acoustic.

Also the digital piano might allow plugging in external audio sources.

...or not.

The list goes on.

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Admit it, you’d rather have an N1X over an upright acoustic?

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There's an interesting discussion on this subject here:http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-or-an-upright-acoustic.html#Post2991212

From what I've come across on the internet, usually people go the other way; from digital to acoustic. If you are having problems with your acoustic piano perhaps the people on the Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/3/1/piano-tuner-technicians-forum.html can advise.

Digital pianos are fine, of course, and don't need tuning, but that doesn't mean they stay maintenance-free forever. In addition, the cost of a decent digital piano could equate to more than a few years tunings (and possible regulation if required) of your existing piano


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Originally Posted by Pete14
So you’re saying a digital can be resonant......or not.
It can be bright......or muffled....
The speakers could be clear...or not (they could be fine).
I almost forgot: ‘There’s likely a metronome’.....or not?
An acoustic can only be one thing.......or not! smirk
I'm sending a DCMA takedown notice. You'll pay for this! smile

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Speaking personally, I would not swap an acoustic piano for a digital one. If I lived in a nice large detached house with no neighbours to annoy I would change my digital for an acoustic in a heartbeat.

My experience: I owned a Yamaha DGX 660 and found that my little finger sometimes did not have the velocity to make the keys on it sound. That never happened on any other digital piano I played.
Casio Priva PX 360, purchased this one so I could turn the volume down low, and not disturb neighbours, but on doing so the treble and bass just fell away, so had to play it at a relatively high volume, which defeated the object.
Kawai ES 110, probably the best DP I’ve owned, great key action. But even then it had a fault, you would often get a strange reverb sound when playing two notes together, I forget which ones but they were well spaced out.
And now my new Casio AP 710. Rattling keys caused by loose counterweights (which annoyingly I cannot get repaired at present because of the Coronvirus).
And just look on this forum at the amount of people that have problems with their DP.

If I was lucky enough to own an acoustic piano I would most definitely not change it for a digital one.


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I think the majority of people will benefit from a digital. Some people however will (also) want to have an acoustic. Going only for an acoustic does not make too much sense because the digitals are meanwhile quite good and most of all quite inexpensive.


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Originally Posted by Gretel
I think the majority of people will benefit from a digital. Some people however will (also) want to have an acoustic. Going only for an acoustic does not make too much sense because the digitals are meanwhile quite good and most of all quite inexpensive.
I think the majority of people learning the piano would benefit from an acoustic, but digitals bring a lot to the table. I definitely think my digital was very helpful in giving me more practice time and encouraged me to play more often because it allowed for silent practice and I was never worried that I may be bothering my wife or neighbors hearing the same passages over and over again. It was just me and the piano. I would agree that having both is the ideal.


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MacMacMac #2991722 06/15/20 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
So you’re saying a digital can be resonant......or not.
It can be bright......or muffled....
The speakers could be clear...or not (they could be fine).
I almost forgot: ‘There’s likely a metronome’.....or not?
An acoustic can only be one thing.......or not! smirk
I'm sending a DCMA takedown notice. You'll pay for this! smile

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You may want to read this long thread on my purchase of an acoustic grand after many multi-hour tests of digital pianos.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...stic-couldn-t-decide-so.html#Post2845043

As you can see from that thread, I kept my Yamaha digital even after buying the Kawai grand, as each has its advantages.

The complexity of sound from the acoustic is far superior, and control of dynamics through the keys and pedals much easier.

Nevertheless, the digital has its place, with its ability to: play a variety of instruments, switch the piano tracks off on a MIDI recording to play the piano tracks oneself with the orchestral accompaniment, and record one's performances.

In the year since I've had both instruments, I have played the acoustic grand 95% of the time and the digital piano 5% of the time. But I love having both.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
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Originally Posted by Pete14
So you’re saying a digital can be resonant......or not.
It can be bright......or muffled....
The speakers could be clear...or not (they could be fine).
I almost forgot: ‘There’s likely a metronome’.....or not?
An acoustic can only be one thing.......or not! smirk
I'm sending a DCMA takedown notice. You'll pay for this! smile

Watch out, MacMacMac: Before you know it, he is handing out negotiating advice, stressing how important it is to realize that a dealer wants OUR MONEY more than we want HIS PIANO.

But... he is right, you know. And so are you. :-)


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I think it all depends on which acoustic piano, and which digital piano you're comparing.

I've only played a few acoustics and I don't have much experience... but I felt that most of them weren't in great condition.

If, like a fair few people, you have a rickety old thing that's not been looked after... a good digital piano will certainly look attractive (silent/quiet practice and portability aside)...

...I'm very pleased with my digital piano, but I will still get myself an acoustic piano (that will have to wait until next year now). I'll keep my digital piano for when I want to turn the volume down. 🤫

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I have never tuned my own piano until just last week, due to the Pandemic. Thanks to my extreme prepper tuner who refuses to leave his house. I couldn't even bribe the guy with triple pay. Don't be put off by self-tuning, those guys in the tuning forum know the answer to every question you could possibly have, they're a great resource and generous with their knowledge.

People always feed the line, a digital doesn't need tuning. That is TRUE, but don't let that be a reason to NOT own an Acoustic.

I am having so much fun tuning my piano. I feel closer to my ol'buddy and with the knowledge and some more experience, I can tune it anytime, 4,10,20 times a year, why not, it's my piano.

In my opinion, You need both in your life. The digital is convenient for some situations, but nothing replaces an Acoustic for the tightness in control, the analog feel, and the Retroness. It's a deep connection with history and it's very very affordable.

Acoustic baby grands are really inexpensive, you can get ones for merely $10,000. You can probably hit the used market for something bigger for that much. Great used Uprights are only $2000, $5000 gets you a great new one. the big Pro uprights are only $10,000 just like a small grand.

Round it out with a $1500 DP like a roland fp90, and you're set for life. This isn't something you'll have to buy again.

WHY NOT BOTH. It doesn't make any sense to have to choose.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
The acoustic is overrated as compared to top-of-the-line digitals.

It’s akin to owning a 1950s oldmobile (get it? a play on Oldsmobile), and spending your life and savings to keep it going; all whilst convincing yourself that new Toyotas are for pu$$ys and will never feel and/or drive like an antique that represents a nostalgic perspective of things related to a time long gone!

Must admit I'd love a vintage car. A 50's Cadillac (very girly, I know) makes me wonder what USA was playing at, getting rid of such iconic marvels. Someone could've put in a 2 litre Mercedes or Euro engine for economy.
And a maching gearbox.

I fancied a Mini Moke . . .

https://uploads.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/mini/11440493.jpg


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