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@MacMacMac thanks for reaching out, it's a good setup - hopefully he's still about !

@VladK thank you - this is really helpful.

Ironically I did exactly the same - and found the same details. Except... the table top dimensions you found, IKEA in Australia didn't clearly spec the numbers. Thankyou!

I suspect you're correct, it doesn't look like the legs are outside the underframe dimension envelope too much. Looking at Chopin's pictures it looks pretty close...

Very Good question - monitor headphones

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I own a used vpc-1 for a couple of weeks now, and I love it.

The great action combined with the adjustable velocity curves has completely enhanced my digital piano experience, coming from a cp33.

I expected a nicer feel, which i most definitely got, so much more piano-like, but I underestimated the extra control this thing offers, just great. And it looks nice as well.

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@u3piano congratulations ! May I ask, what is your setup ?

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Originally Posted by dcaspira
@u3piano congratulations ! May I ask, what is your setup ?

Thanks, Sure! By setup do you mean what is your hardware + software?

I have a vpc-1, a focusrite scarlett 2i4, and mainly use embertone walker, listening through Superlux hd-662 evo headphones. I also have jbl lsr 305 monitors, but I don't like them for piano and intend to sell them, I use headphones pretty much all of the time anyway.

As for a pc i have a I5 u4570 with 16gb ram, a couple of ssd's and windows 10.

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Hi everyone!
I have a question on extra controls. So on the StudioLogic SL-88Grand, I have 3 joysticks that are customizable, I can set them to pitch bend, mmodulation, expression, or whatever, basically I can name any midi messages that these 3 joysticks send, which gives me great customization if I want to control different midi message variants. Does the VPC1 have on board controls? If not, is there hardware that one can add that can enable such controls?
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@U3piano excellent, that was what I was wondering.

I'm also headphones - and tossing between the Scarlett 2i4 and the Motu m2 AI. Have you had any issues with yours ?

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Originally Posted by David Lai
Hi everyone!
I have a question on extra controls. So on the StudioLogic SL-88Grand, I have 3 joysticks that are customizable, I can set them to pitch bend, mmodulation, expression, or whatever, basically I can name any midi messages that these 3 joysticks send, which gives me great customization if I want to control different midi message variants. Does the VPC1 have on board controls? If not, is there hardware that one can add that can enable such controls?
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The VPC1 has no such onboard controls.


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Hi everyone!
I have a question on extra controls. So on the StudioLogic SL-88Grand, I have 3 joysticks that are customizable, I can set them to pitch bend, mmodulation, expression, or whatever, basically I can name any midi messages that these 3 joysticks send, which gives me great customization if I want to control different midi message variants. Does the VPC1 have on board controls? If not, is there hardware that one can add that can enable such controls?
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The VPC1 has no such onboard controls.

Oh, that's not good... frown It would be hard to add extra hardware if I got this keyboard. But I've heard the action is better than that on the SL-88Grand... I'm hoping for convenience as well as reliable action. That's also quite helpful being totally blind.

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David, you would have to add a second controller. There are quite a few with mod wheels. What/how many extra controllers do you need? There are mini controllers with a few synth keys (two octaves), mod wheels, knobs, pads. I saw some by Nektar, M-Audio and Akai, probably others. Would those be too much?


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
David, you would have to add a second controller. There are quite a few with mod wheels. What/how many extra controllers do you need? There are mini controllers with a few synth keys (two octaves), mod wheels, knobs, pads. I saw some by Nektar, M-Audio and Akai, probably others. Would those be too much?

Well I was just wondering, on my Studiologic I have three joysticks, an expression pedal and a 3-pedal unit. The two petals are plugged into two separate jacks, so the three pedals only take one jack, not three. I’m curious, how much would it take for me to reach this kind of control if I were to get the VPC1? what would it look like to copy my similar set up to a different instrument? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by dcaspira
and tossing between the Scarlett 2i4 and the Motu m2 AI. Have you had any issues with yours ?

My 2i4 is a first generation one. It works well, and has done so for many years, but every now and then i get the windows blue screen, which I suspect has something to do with it's driver, but i'm not sure. Could be a problem in my windows or other components in my pc, who knows.

I think you'll be fine with either of those. If you buy a new 2i4 now i think it's a third generation, so apparently they improved some things. I believe there are separate drivers for the different generations as well.

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I have an SL88 Grand and recently discovered that the midi velocities are a bit inconsistent between keys. Maybe it's fixable by software. I'm wondering if that's the same for the VPC1

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David, you would have to add a second controller. There are quite a few with mod wheels. What/how many extra controllers do you need? There are mini controllers with a few synth keys (two octaves), mod wheels, knobs, pads. I saw some by Nektar, M-Audio and Akai, probably others. Would those be too much?

Well I was just wondering, on my Studiologic I have three joysticks, an expression pedal and a 3-pedal unit. The two petals are plugged into two separate jacks, so the three pedals only take one jack, not three. I’m curious, how much would it take for me to reach this kind of control if I were to get the VPC1? what would it look like to copy my similar set up to a different instrument? Thanks!

The VPC1 is a piano controller. Do acoustic pianos have mod or pitch wheels? If you want a masterkeyboard, just buy a masterkeyboard smile
OR: buy a VPC1 and a small midi controller that fits your needs. as EVC2017 wrotes, there are many small controllers out there that you can easily put on top of the VPC1.


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Originally Posted by David Lai
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David, you would have to add a second controller. There are quite a few with mod wheels. What/how many extra controllers do you need? There are mini controllers with a few synth keys (two octaves), mod wheels, knobs, pads. I saw some by Nektar, M-Audio and Akai, probably others. Would those be too much?

Well I was just wondering, on my Studiologic I have three joysticks, an expression pedal and a 3-pedal unit. The two petals are plugged into two separate jacks, so the three pedals only take one jack, not three. I’m curious, how much would it take for me to reach this kind of control if I were to get the VPC1? what would it look like to copy my similar set up to a different instrument? Thanks!

David, it is a tough one. I just looked at specs just out of sheer curiosity. From specs, VPC1 only supports the three pedals unit. It has a very limited features set. It is a specialized tool that does one task and does it well (based on the opinions of most of this owners in this forum), replacing a piano keyboard. No expression pedal, very few control features. You would probably have to add a second full featured controller (with wheels, faders, knobs, buttons etc.) to have a functionality equivalent to your SL. For example, I took a look at some of the small keyboard controllers I mentioned above and they do not have an expression pedal. Bigger unites, e.g. Arturia Keylab mkii 49 does, but it has tons of controls (no joystics but wheels, faders, knobs, pads/buttons etc.). So, you end up with a more complex configuration than you may want. Or perhaps not.

May I suggest you open a different thread for this discussion? You may get more qualified answers.

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Originally Posted by EVC2017
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Originally Posted by EVC2017
David, you would have to add a second controller. There are quite a few with mod wheels. What/how many extra controllers do you need? There are mini controllers with a few synth keys (two octaves), mod wheels, knobs, pads. I saw some by Nektar, M-Audio and Akai, probably others. Would those be too much?

Well I was just wondering, on my Studiologic I have three joysticks, an expression pedal and a 3-pedal unit. The two petals are plugged into two separate jacks, so the three pedals only take one jack, not three. I’m curious, how much would it take for me to reach this kind of control if I were to get the VPC1? what would it look like to copy my similar set up to a different instrument? Thanks!

David, it is a tough one. I just looked at specs just out of sheer curiosity. From specs, VPC1 only supports the three pedals unit. It has a very limited features set. It is a specialized tool that does one task and does it well (based on the opinions of most of this owners in this forum), replacing a piano keyboard. No expression pedal, very few control features. You would probably have to add a second full featured controller (with wheels, faders, knobs, buttons etc.) to have a functionality equivalent to your SL. For example, I took a look at some of the small keyboard controllers I mentioned above and they do not have an expression pedal. Bigger unites, e.g. Arturia Keylab mkii 49 does, but it has tons of controls (no joystics but wheels, faders, knobs, pads/buttons etc.). So, you end up with a more complex configuration than you may want. Or perhaps not.

May I suggest you open a different thread for this discussion? You may get more qualified answers.

Hi! Thanks for all the replies. I see what this might mean for me.
Though I am a pianist and would love a better action, I also hope to get some nice onboard controls so I can tinker with the midi data live as I play other instruments, and to control certain midi stuff (like the muted strikes on Ravenscroft) with a controller on the keyboard. Looks like the VPC 1 may not fit my expectations of combining a good action plus convenient controls. Probably SL is still a nice compromise. I've heard a lot of talk about the VPC1 on this forum, so I was wondering what it might look like to use the instrument, along with its flexibility of controls.
Thanks again for your replies! smile

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Originally Posted by Keybender
I have an SL88 Grand and recently discovered that the midi velocities are a bit inconsistent between keys. Maybe it's fixable by software. I'm wondering if that's the same for the VPC1

I do find that on my SL-88Grand, the G5 key is a bit odd sometimes. That creates problems in the beginning of Chopin's fourth ballade, for example.

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Maybe wait to try the MP12.

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Originally Posted by David Lai
Hi! Thanks for all the replies. I see what this might mean for me.
Though I am a pianist and would love a better action, I also hope to get some nice onboard controls so I can tinker with the midi data live as I play other instruments, and to control certain midi stuff (like the muted strikes on Ravenscroft) with a controller on the keyboard. Looks like the VPC 1 may not fit my expectations of combining a good action plus convenient controls.
I don't have a VPC 1, but if I were in your situation I would make sure to check out the option of just having a small midi controller surface board sitting on the large top surface of the VPC 1. There are many inexpensive ones that have a lot of functionality. E.g., maybe not the best one for you, but Korg Nanocontrol Studio: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/nanoKONTStu--korg-nanokontrol-studio

Also, there're some excellent apps out there that make an iPhone, iPad, or Android phone into a very flexible midi control surface. They lack the tactile feel of a hardware control (they mimic pads, knobs, sliders on the touch screen display), but some can be tailored exactly for your uses, as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Here's an example of one of those for ipad/iphone, one of the more expensive ones at $30 (but there are others that are just $5 or $10): https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midi-designer-pro-2/id492291712

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Lots of VPC1 love here, but has anyone encountered the faulty key weighing as describe in this thread?

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6886

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Originally Posted by Hokage Kakashi
Lots of VPC1 love here, but has anyone encountered the faulty key weighing as describe in this thread?

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6886

Look, if there is no some damage you can see when unboxing product or there is something really wrong with the product, believe me, VPC is working incredibly good at default. No reason to chasing ants under the keys. Anyway who ever is in doubt there is Ravenscroft VPC or Lachnit for people who want hand made, faulty free, money killers products.

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