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Anyone going out to try a NV5 now that stores are re-opening. Seems like one heck of a piano.
All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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I did, yesterday. It's a wonderful piano indeed!
I'm afraid that, as a greenhorn in the world of pianos, I can't contribute anything else here. What I can say, though, is that I'd prefer the NV5 over the NU1X (which I could test-play as well) anytime.
My dealer told me that he has a waiting list; the next delivery is supposed to be in August. Apparently, this model is a very good seller.
And. It. Is. Beautiful.
at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro
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I did, yesterday. It's a wonderful piano indeed!
I'm afraid that, as a greenhorn in the world of pianos, I can't contribute anything else here. What I can say, though, is that I'd prefer the NV5 over the NU1X (which I could test-play as well) anytime.
My dealer told me that he has a waiting list; the next delivery is supposed to be in August. Apparently, this model is a very good seller.
And. It. Is. Beautiful. I chose the NU1X. Both pianos are great. The NV5 (immediately available for Eur 5600) has a firmer, more precise action. The sound was quite good. I didn't like the TouchPad which wasn't responsive at all. And I don't need thousands of settings and sound (barking dog, falling autumn leaves. C'mon really? ) The NU1X (4300,-) has the better headphone sound. The sound through speakers is also very good, The action, even though it's an upright action, allows easy playing. And the main reason is I believe in Yamaha. I know I don't make friends with this but I have the feeling that every second thread in this forum is about an action problem on a Kawai piano. And yes, the dogs and leaf thing is just a joke...
Just playing my NU1X. And love it. Cheers!
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And the main reason is I believe in Yamaha. I know I don't make friends with this but I have the feeling that every second thread in this forum is about an action problem on a Kawai piano. I do also believe in Yamaha when it comes to build quality.
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I don't happen to have barking dogs or falling leaves on my NV5 ...
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I chose the NU1X. Both pianos are great. The NV5 (immediately available for Eur 5600) has a firmer, more precise action. The sound was quite good. I didn't like the TouchPad which wasn't responsive at all. And I don't need thousands of settings and sound (barking dog, falling autumn leaves. C'mon really? ) The NU1X (4300,-) has the better headphone sound. The sound through speakers is also very good, The action, even though it's an upright action, allows easy playing. I like the NV5's control panel a lot, the NU1X's... not so much. But hey, you are of course right: Both pianos are great! I simply preferred the NV's action and "feel" – which is highly subjective. I'm glad you're happy with your choice, dima5222!
at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro
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I don't happen to have barking dogs or falling leaves on my NV5 ... So... you don't play outside? :-) (I guess dima5222 was kidding – and simply wanted to let us know that the NU1X's 15 voices is enough.)
at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro
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I use USB. I get 2 msec latency (end-to-end). And that's all in the Windows audio chain. So what will Thunderbolt do for me? Speed of light couldn't do better. Sci-fi transwarp could not either. You only get better when addressing the bottleneck. And windows audio buffering is the bottleneck. It's not the interface. It's the audio chain. USB is not relevant to latency. Thunderbolt is not relevant to latency.
Latency is in the Windows audio chain, not in the interfaces. Sorry Mac but I disagree. Thunderbolt is basically PCI which has less Windows overhead compared to USB. Now RME has solved the latency issue but the cheapest interface is over $800.00. My hope/dream is that with Thunderbolt being part of USB-4 next year we might see some lower cost Thunderbolt units that deliver stellar latency. I can dream can't I
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The extra features on the NV5 are great, such as the lesson pieces .. Czerny etc.. and drum machine with the metronome , but admittedly I only use 1 piano voice typically for practice.
If I want galloping horses and barking dogs I have them on my for sale Yamaha P250 ....
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..Yes, but does it have roaring lions, that there P250?
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It does have a scream and a bird tweet ...
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I must agree with the bit about Kawai reliability. It might be that Kawai pianos are more represented on the forum (or are they?) but I cannot just ignore the many threads about Kawai keyboard problems...
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It breaks my heart to say this, but no, it has nothing to do with Kawai being ‘more represented’ on the forum; they have issues with build/quality control. That being said, their warranty service is top-notch. They will resolve your issues no matter what; including giving you a brand new board if necessary. They do not insult your intelligence as Roland tends to do (“there’s nothing wrong; it’s all in your head”). I sometimes wonder how this works out for Kawai, you know, all the expense involved with warranty services. Why not try to determine the main source of the problem (quality control, etc...) and just make appropriate changes there instead of spending -probably- much more in repairs down the road? BTW, the whole “damaged in transit” doesn’t cut it for me. I believe there are bigger issues at play. P.S. I -still- love Kawai!
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I partly agree with you Pete. (But I'm saddened by the lack of sarcasm. Boo hoo.) But it's not quality control. It's quality culture. Quality is not a department. It's not a place where things gone wrong get fixed. Rather, quality comes from involvement in EVERY activity inside a company. As for Kawai ... if what you say is true (that they use after-the-fact service to compensate for poor quality) ... that's a faulty (and expensive) model. And it's stunning that a Japanese company doesn't understand that. Read Edwards Deming. He taught the Japanese how to do it right in the 1950s. And they had stunning success. But perhaps the lesson has been lost. Will they ever have that recipe again? (MacArthur Park)
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Kawai needs to take that course: Edwards Deming 101! They can deny it all they want, but there’s a systemic problem there. I agree with you Mac, there seems to be a lack of involvement on their end. I mean, the top honchos at Kawai must be aware of these ongoing problems, yet nothing seems to improve. P.S. Once again, I love Kawai (no really, I do).
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If Kawai has a higher number of problems with their actions, compared to say, Yamaha, wouldn't that only be logical? I mean, they are also much more innovative, in their acoustic actions as well as digital actions. I do really like their take on this, and really appreciate their whole grand feel type of actions, with long wooden keysticks that work in a seesaw motion like acoustic actions, etc. These actions are constantly improving, while Yamaha sticks to only the standard plastic folded action type that are reliable but seem to improve just incrementally over the years. (I'm not trying to say they aren't good, obviously many people like the nwx in the p515, for example.)
I respect Kawai for providing digital pianists with great options between plastic folded actions and real actions. And I think with innovation comes a higher problem rate, but as long as the customer service is great, which it seems it is, I prefer their take on things over Yamaha's.
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You know what they say:......with long wooden sticks come long responsibilities!
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Forgive my ignorance - can an NV5, as opposed to NU1X, not be hooked up to a Mac running a VST, with sound output to a DAC ? (Marantz HD-DAC1 in my case) ?
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Oh, oh, I know this one: Yes!
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Forgive my ignorance - can an NV5, as opposed to NU1X, not be hooked up to a Mac running a VST, with sound output to a DAC ? (Marantz HD-DAC1 in my case) ? Yep. It sounds like you're just asking whether the NV5 can output MIDI, which it certainly can.
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