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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
KevinM #2988115 06/05/20 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
I got through that, only to find an Austrian company has produced software that cannot deal with umlauts in path names.

Haha! I got that too, although my Bo[]sendorfer sounds great!

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Hello, after a very long working day I sat down and played a piece with the Imperial:

https://youtu.be/ukj3rrB1EDs

I link this video because it shows the capabilities of having a grand which rather than being brillant and precise, tells an emotional
story. My goodness, the fragility and insecurity in the timbre and sound which can be achieved it just amazing.
At least I like this tone. For example did I try the timbre shift the first time and other unconventional choices.
On my Beyerdynamic T1 the sound is so unbelievably round and threedimensional. What a joy to play...

Wow, this was really a nice recording. I'm leaning towards purchasing the BI... might just get the standard now and maybe upgrade at a later stage. But it really seems like the one VST you want own. smile

Wow, you made me see a different picture regarding this piano! But interestingly, there are a few sample starts that have clicks in them, take 0:47, the two notes in this time marking has clicks. If VSL doesn't mind fixing things regarding this library, it would be quite cool!

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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You have really good ears! I also noticed these clicks, but I believe it has to do with the timbre shift which I used. Maybe the playing back of added reverse samples adds some sort of issues with the attacks. But maybe also my rendering had problems because the PC did something in the background (or whatever) and I used all possible microphones.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by Gamma1734
You have really good ears! I also noticed these clicks, but I believe it has to do with the timbre shift which I used. Maybe the playing back of added reverse samples adds some sort of issues with the attacks. But maybe also my rendering had problems because the PC did something in the background (or whatever) and I used all possible microphones.

Would it be possible for you to screen shot your settings or make them available in the description when you make recordings? I love to try other people's presets. Thanks for the consideration.

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2988200 06/05/20 02:46 PM
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Perhaps because I have the full version so am playing with the different mic positions more, but I keep missing the buttons to turning a mic on/off in Mix and kill all my settings when I hit concert/intimate etc. below.

At least I have one saved preset now. But it does feel like poor UI design that this is so easy to do.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Perhaps because I have the full version so am playing with the different mic positions more, but I keep missing the buttons to turning a mic on/off in Mix and kill all my settings when I hit concert/intimate etc. below.

At least I have one saved preset now. But it does feel like poor UI design that this is so easy to do.

Would it be possible for you to do a recording of your beautiful Mendelssohn Songs Without Words 19.6. I love that pice and it has become kind of a reference for me when listening to you different VST's smile

I'm suuuper close to just buying ti full library but since it's expensive I want to hear as much as I can before smile

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2988234 06/05/20 03:53 PM
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One of the questions asked when downloading the device manager (installer?) On windows is if we want to allow the software to access public and private networks. Should this permission be granted?

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by Gamma1734
You have really good ears! I also noticed these clicks, but I believe it has to do with the timbre shift which I used. Maybe the playing back of added reverse samples adds some sort of issues with the attacks. But maybe also my rendering had problems because the PC did something in the background (or whatever) and I used all possible microphones.

I see. Well, you are indeed making a great use of all these piano VST's by playing less well-known music! smile

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Would it be possible for you to do a recording of your beautiful Mendelssohn Songs Without Words 19.6. I love that pice and it has become kind of a reference for me when listening to you different VST's smile

I'm suuuper close to just buying ti full library but since it's expensive I want to hear as much as I can before smile

I've done the recording, not particularly happy with my playing plus a couple of bars repeated by accident, the sound of the piano is a little too wet for my liking so I need to adjust my settings. I will do a new recording soon. My playing has fallen apart a bit recently because I've mostly been playing with VST settings recently rather practising diligently.

Mendelssohn Song Without Words 19.6 Venetian Gondolier

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Would it be possible for you to do a recording of your beautiful Mendelssohn Songs Without Words 19.6. I love that pice and it has become kind of a reference for me when listening to you different VST's smile

I'm suuuper close to just buying ti full library but since it's expensive I want to hear as much as I can before smile

I've done the recording, not particularly happy with my playing plus a couple of bars repeated by accident, the sound of the piano is a little too wet for my liking so I need to adjust my settings. I will do a new recording soon. My playing has fallen apart a bit recently because I've mostly been playing with VST settings recently rather practising diligently.

Mendelssohn Song Without Words 19.6 Venetian Gondolier

Thank you very much. I liked it a lot and really feel the bass when it comes int in the beginning. It will be very interesting to see if you can make it sound dryer... I do have to say I liked how it sounded on your recording.

Tahnks again smile

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Hi, it is a bit awkward to do because there are so many settings available, but I write them
Reverb -inf, Volume 0, Dynamic 110, Body 0, Sympathetic +3, Timbre shift -1, Half Pedal 100, Pedal Noise -24, RoomMix off, Condenser 30, Ribbon 24, Tube 29, Mid1 39, Mid2 24, Main 28, MainC 36, Surround 26, High 22, HighSur 32, MaxVoicesMic 1024, MaxVoicesKey 32, RS Level -3. I use a CA98. I played with lesser microphones with 64 or 128 samples latency.

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Noticing clicks when playing C2 very loud with only Condenser and Ribbon mic.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JysaBinTo-Ag0QGKRl3rtNtHCTJPB-29?usp=sharing

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Originally Posted by Gamma1734
Noticing clicks when playing C2 very loud with only Condenser and Ribbon mic.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JysaBinTo-Ag0QGKRl3rtNtHCTJPB-29?usp=sharing

Sounds like when someone hits they key with the nails. Maybe it’s something from the plastic och the sampling robot. Hope it can be edited out as a update from VSL.

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by Gamma1734
Noticing clicks when playing C2 very loud with only Condenser and Ribbon mic.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JysaBinTo-Ag0QGKRl3rtNtHCTJPB-29?usp=sharing
It's probably the Ribbon mic? Cuz I don't hear it with only the Condenser mic on my standard library.


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Hi, it is a bit awkward to do because there are so many settings available, but I write them
Reverb -inf, Volume 0, Dynamic 110, Body 0, Sympathetic +3, Timbre shift -1, Half Pedal 100, Pedal Noise -24, RoomMix off, Condenser 30, Ribbon 24, Tube 29, Mid1 39, Mid2 24, Main 28, MainC 36, Surround 26, High 22, HighSur 32, MaxVoicesMic 1024, MaxVoicesKey 32, RS Level -3. I use a CA98. I played with lesser microphones with 64 or 128 samples latency.

What values are you changing for the different microphones in the mix (eg. ribbon 24)? Is that the delay value? First VST so pretty clueless when it comes to tweaking things haha

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Originally Posted by Gamma1734
Noticing clicks when playing C2 very loud with only Condenser and Ribbon mic.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JysaBinTo-Ag0QGKRl3rtNtHCTJPB-29?usp=sharing

Good finding. Confirmed here.... will be fixed.

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2988457 06/06/20 12:42 PM
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My ancient Mac is not really up to the job. I think the internal bus is not up to the task have keeping that much data in motion at once. I now need to work what I'm going to do. Seems the first thing to do is check all my other piano related software works on Catalina before even thinking about just getting a new machine.

I can do 3 mikes at 128. But it doesn't seem so simple as just increasing the latency. I mean I can do 4 mikes at 256, but 5 mikes just seems impossible for guaranteeing no crackles, they are rare but happen. Even at a 1024, but there seems little difference between 1024 and 512 as to number of crackles. Going above 512 gives diminishing returns I think.

I have managed to do some recordings. I've updated the Mendelssohn mentioned, but I've also added Chopin's C#Minor Post Nocturne and Schumann's Von Fremden Ländern und Menschen.

I like Bösendorfer Imperial and it is nicely playable, more playable than Vienna Imperial but I still feel like I like the richness of the timbre of the Vienna Imperial more.

I've created a Bösendorfer Imperial playlist.

I've also added the three new tracks to my massive Compare playlist, so you can compare against my recordings of other VSTs and digital piano internal sounds.

Massive compare playlist

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2988484 06/06/20 01:39 PM
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Nice playing Kevin.

I wonder if an external drive would work better?

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Have you considered recording the MIDI first with only 1 or 2 mics, and the re-rendering the same MIDI offline with all the 11 mics? That way your Mac doesn't have to do the heavy lifting in realtime and should be able to cope.

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Paul Kopf #2988500 06/06/20 02:18 PM
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I was going to buy this new piano from VSL today, full version.
I already have the CFX, the D and the Bluetner and I don't know if the BI is different enough to be a worthwhile addition to the library. Since, as stated here and on the VSL site, it's possible to return the piano within 14 days I was going to buy with the safety net of returning the piano of that is the case.
Before hitting the buy button though, I had a look at the Right of Withdrawal contract, which at one point states:

In the case of a contract for the supply of download products (digital content which is not supplied on a tangible medium) I expressly agree that Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH starts to execute this contract before the expiration of the withdrawal period and accept the termination of my right of withdrawal.

Looks like it's not possible to exercise the right of withdrawal in the case of a digital download. So now I'm confused.
Either I don't understand the English, which is definitely possible, or I have to renounce to the right of withdrawal if I want to buy the piano online.

What am I missing?


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