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Differentiating between Seiler Indonesian and German pianos?
#2987220 06/02/20 11:51 PM
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Hello pianists,

Tomorrow I am going to check out an upright Seiler 116 from a private seller.
I plan to pay a technician to check the piano out, but only after I know if this is a German Seiler or not.

From my research the 116 upright models can either by manufactured by the proper german Seiler company, and the full name of the model should be something like: SE116
But there is also Seiler indonesian company called "Ed Seiler/Eduard Seiler".
And from pictures I've seen online, both pianos look identical including the logo, which only says "Seiler" in one word.
So this is a question for the experts, is there a way for a non piano technician to verify beyond doubt if this is a genuine german Seiler or not?
The seller doesn't seem to know, he only confirmed that the serial number is 166808
I tried emailing Seiler themselves but they haven't responded.

Perhaps someone here knows enough about Seilers to help?


Thanks in advance!

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GnGEmpire #2987226 06/03/20 12:21 AM
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I believe this serial number predates the beginning of the 3 different series, branding concept. It's probably a regular German one from the early 2000s.


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terminaldegree #2987276 06/03/20 05:44 AM
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Appreciate the reply. Do you know if German made Seilers from before the 3 different series concept, are considered as fine as today's finest/top range "SE" (german made) line?

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Originally Posted by GnGEmpire
Appreciate the reply. Do you know if German made Seilers from before the 3 different series concept, are considered as fine as today's finest/top range "SE" (german made) line?
Seiler has held a great reputation for their German production going back decades, but that does not supersede the normal advice for evaluating any used piano, especially in a private sale. If you play it and like it, have it inspected by a qualified technician both for condition and for service needs before pulling the trigger.

It's fair to say that the market for European-built uprights has significantly changed. In the wake of a smaller market and higher prices, there are really only 2 tiers of European production left...high priced and super high priced. In the early 2000's, a Seiler 116 would have been more of a middle or upper-middle option, priced above Japanese makers, but not prohibitively so. As one of their smaller models, it was affordable by comparison to the tallest 126 and 132 models.

Romance aside, the German SE models today are the best we've seen, but we know that pricing affects perception. I'm not trying to dig into the the asking price, but once you've seen the instrument, how would you compare it with more widely-available new or used options for a similar cost?


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Seiler like quite a few historic German pianos have always been highly regarded.In fact older Seiler pianos are restored in the UK even today. I am not quite sure what your concern is.
As terminaldegree has confirmed the piano is made in Germany.
So yes it is worth going with your technician and trying the piano out. Have you found out how old
the piano is ?

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The main thing is that you should really like the piano.Of course the new Seiler pianos are very nice.If
you do have a dealer where you can try a new SE 116 Seiler and compare this to the one that you are thinking of trying ,that would be great.
Best wishes. It would be nice if you let us know what you thought of the piano.


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