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#2987057 06/02/20 02:45 PM
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Korg has 2 options for stage piano
The SV-2 and the Grandstage.

One designed in Japan using the latest korg technollogy
The other designed in Italy, using the old esx engine derived from the Triton synths..

They are both equally expensive, which makes me wonder why someone would choose the SV-2?


On a serious note.. has anyone compared or played them both? We all know technollogy doesnt say much about sound quallity and feel.

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Overall, these look like the big feature differences, from what I can tell:

SV-2 advantages:
* tube
* option for built-in speakers
* full set of user-configurable modeled effects and amp simulation (vs. only delay/reverb and any fixed effect Korg might have baked into the patch, with just depth control)

Grandstage advantages:
* 500 sounds (vs. 72)
* pitch/mod wheels
* you can do splits/layers right from the board instead of only via an editor

Beyond that, I guess it will come down to which sounds you like better or if one feels better to play. As you said, "We all know technology does'nt say much about sound quality and feel." The GS EPs come from the Kronos, and I like the Kronos EPs a lot, but I actually prefer the SV-1 EPs, and the SV-2 has that and more.

FWIW, although still based on EDS, Korg Italy's sound engine is not identical to the Japanese variants. There's interesting info about this in the thread at http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2829837
...specifically, check out these 5 posts: 2830990, 2838982, 2839034, 2839177, 2839190 (you'll have to navigate to subsequent pages in the thread to get to all of them).

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Great resource, thank you Scott!


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Thanks! One correction to what I said above about effects, the GS does let you control more than depth, there is some more effect editability than that, but still not nearly what the SV2 has.

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Thanks Scott great info..

I think i found one more, the SV2 can layer split 3 sounds, the grandstage only 2..

I guess the SV2 despite only 72 sounds covers mush of the base you will need..

Also the SV2 comes with an editor, which seems to be lacking for the grandstage..


From the video’s i watched, it seems the SV2 is much more designed with the stage in mind..

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Originally Posted by Bachus
I think i found one more, the SV2 can layer split 3 sounds, the grandstage only 2
Good catch.

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I guess the SV2 despite only 72 sounds covers mush of the base you will need...Also the SV2 comes with an editor
And it turns out that, while the board comes with 72 sounds loaded into it, once you connect the editor, you have access to many more, around 400. (Listed on pages 122-124 of the manual.) You just can't have all 400 loaded into the board at once.

In the end, on either board, you'll probably want to arrange all your favorite sounds and setups for quick easy recall, and both boards provide 64 locations for that.

Also, I realized that the number of sounds cannot easily be directly compared, because of the effects difference. A good example is clav. The SV2 has 4 clav sounds in its stock 72, corrrespding to the 4 actual clav pickup settings (AC, AD, BC, BD). The GS has 14 clav sounds which sounds like more, but it's less. ;-) The first 4 are the expected AC, AD, BC, BD. The other ten are each one of those same four except with different effects... and the ONLY effects combinations you can put on the clav are the ones they provide there. On the SV2, since you assign the effects yourself instead of having them pre-assigned by Korg, you can take those same four basic clav timbres, and put whatever effects you want onto any of them... and since the SV2 lets you put a bunch of different effects combinations on each of the four basic clav sounds, there are actually more possible clav variations you can generate on the SV2 from its 4 basic clav sounds than there are on the GS with its 14!

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From the video’s i watched, it seems the SV2 is much more designed with the stage in mind
I think they're both stage-oriented, though adding the speaker option to the SV2 gives them a version that is also more home-friendly, something to kind of go up against a P515, ES8, or FP60/FP90 (albeit a bit pricier), which they didn't really have before.

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I owned GS88 and I had opportunity to spend ~15min on SV1 at the same time. They were not side-by-side, but I had an impression that EPianos sound different on both. Also, although it's theoretically the same RH3 action, it also felt different using the same velocity curve setting. If I was looking for a DP for stage, I would go for Grandstage, but 73 keys version this time. SV-2 looks retro cool, but I believe finding appropriate case for it and transporting it is a nightmare. Also, SV2 might have more layers etc., but since configuring them is not possible from the instrument itself, I think Grandstage ease of use is an advantage.

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I think i found one more, the SV2 can layer split 3 sounds, the grandstage only 2
Good catch.
One more important thing to remember about Grandstage is that you cannot split and layer simultanously. So you can have bass in your left hand and piano on the right side, but you can't for example layer Rhodes and Pad on the left and leave piano on the right.


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But there are some layered sounds in Grandstage where you can edit them and adjust the layer balance (within a single section), you can then make a split setting e.g. bass in other section.


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Cześć smile Indeed, there are some "ready" layered sounds, but still it cannot be customized in other way than changing balance.


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Cześć smile Yes, you're right.


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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
I owned GS88 and I had opportunity to spend ~15min on SV1 at the same time. They were not side-by-side, but I had an impression that EPianos sound different on both.
Yes, Kronos' EP1 electric pianos (which I believe is the source of all the GS EPs) are different from those on the SV1. Both are good, though I preferred the SV, personally.

Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
Also, although it's theoretically the same RH3 action, it also felt different using the same velocity curve setting.
That's interesting. The RH3 definitely feels different on the SV1 than it does on the Kronos (I much preferred the former). I haven't had the opportunity to play a GS... if it doesn't feel like the SV1, I wonder if it feels like the Kronos or if its a third variation of its own.

Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
SV-2 looks retro cool, but I believe finding appropriate case for it and transporting it is a nightmare.
Korg makes a wheeled soft case for it. I ended up using a different case that wasn't wheeled but was less heavy, I think it was the one for the Kawai MP7. But I rarely gigged with it anyway, because I prefer lighter boards for travel. The SV1 was mostly a home board for me.

Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
SV2 might have more layers etc., but since configuring them is not possible from the instrument itself, I think Grandstage ease of use is an advantage.
I think ease of use overall is probably pretty similar... it's just that things that are particularly easy to do on one may be things that are more difficult (or impossible) on the other. So it depends what it is you're trying to do. So yes, as you point out, being able to configure splits on the board itself make the GS easier to use in that respect. But real-time manipulation of effects is simpler on the SV (even within the range of the more limited effects capabilities of the GS). Similarly, while both boards have quick access to 64 Favorites, if you're looking for a sound you haven't saved as a Favorite, it's nice that on the GS you can access all 564 factory sounds without using the editor (similar to the advantage with doing splits), and it's nice that the names of the patches are shown in OLED displays, so those things favor ease of use in the GS. OTOH, if you can happily narrow down the non-favorite sounds you'd like to choose from to 72, the SV lets you access them more directly (instead of having to scroll through lists, which can be dicier in a live situation) and you can put them in any order you want so you can get to the ones you care about more quickly. Yeah, it would be nice if the SV2 had an OLED display like on the GS that showed you the name of your selected patch; it would likewise be nice if the GS had an editor like on the SV that allowed you to re-order sounds so that (within a category) you wouldn't have to possibly scroll past a bunch of patches you don't care about to get to the ones you do. But those are the kinds of differences that make it hard for me to conclude that one is clearly easier to use than the other.

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I'm still waiting for side-by-side sounds comparison video review between the two boards. To my ears, SV-2 sounds more woody, Grandstage/Kronos/Vox Continental sound a bit metallic and more artificial but super clear. Apples to apples - german to german, austrian to austrian etc.
I mean acoustic piano sounds.


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Sv2 has some good piano tones, stylish looking too.

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But an MDF bottom. Really don’t like that.

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Well, most if not all of them have an MDF bottom. Mine (see signature below) do.


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I think this discussion really helped me seeing the differences, and who would potentially choose the one or the other

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Originally Posted by Bachus
I think this discussion really helped me seeing the differences, and who would potentially choose the one or the other
The Korg SV2s look really good tempted to get one myself with the speakers .


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