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Adult vs Kid Beginner Music Students
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The skit in this video is about violin beginners but I think it applies to piano beginners as well. Does the adult remind you of yourself? Sure reminds me of myself! grin


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I'd say both the adult and kid remind me of myself! The earnest - and sometimes over enthusiastic - adult and the oh-so reluctant child beginner.

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I'd say both the adult and kid remind me of myself! The earnest - and sometimes over enthusiastic - adult and the oh-so reluctant child beginner.

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Funny! Now I'm the reluctant adult at times frown


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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There is a lot of stereotypes in the video. Kids in general don't pick the instruments they want to play or want to take music lessons at a young age. And they tend to avoid music practice.

There are kids who are born musicians. From a young age they would pick the instruments they want to play and are committed to practicing hours a week. Someone like Yo-Yo Ma got started on a violin by his parents. He wanted to play cello and made a career out of it. There are people like Alma Deutscher who is a teenager on the outside but a music prodigy at a young age playing piano & violin and composing on the side. People who are not born with the gift of music acquire the skill of playing an instrument by hard work and a lot of resistance as a child. Those who are musically inclined at a young age don't relate to their peers. They would be practicing for recitals while their friends would be struggling with music lessons.

When it comes to music practice, do adult learners practice more? I'm in adult group class. I find that a lot of older adults including myself play piano as a hobby. We have as many reasons to skip practice like kids. Some of us have the discipline to practice at least an hour a day. Others would be busy with dinner engagements, visits from children & grandchildren. Some take a relaxed attitude to learning a song like if they don't learn it today, they'll do it tomorrow. A week later they're still working on the same song.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Some take a relaxed attitude to learning a song like if they don't learn it today, they'll do it tomorrow. A week later they're still working on the same song.

What am I doing wrong? I practice the song I don't like every day and it still takes me over a month! cry laugh

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Two Set Violin - never heard of them ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


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Originally Posted by earlofmar
Two Set Violin - never heard of them ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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Originally Posted by offkey
What am I doing wrong? I practice the song I don't like every day and it still takes me over a month! cry laugh
More than half the time the issues have to do with practicing effectively. Taking a month to perfect a piece is not unreasonable if you're working on a difficult one for a recital. If you have a teacher and is working on an easy piece, your teacher would let you work on it for 2 weeks at most. There are different things you can be working on such as learning the notes, fingerings, dynamics, phrasing, counting, etc. A beginner piece you may be learning just the notes and the fingerings.

A lot of pieces a student would play are already posted online so learning the notes is much easier by listening to other people's recordings.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
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What am I doing wrong? I practice the song I don't like every day and it still takes me over a month! cry laugh
More than half the time the issues have to do with practicing effectively. Taking a month to perfect a piece is not unreasonable if you're working on a difficult one for a recital. If you have a teacher and is working on an easy piece, your teacher would let you work on it for 2 weeks at most. There are different things you can be working on such as learning the notes, fingerings, dynamics, phrasing, counting, etc. A beginner piece you may be learning just the notes and the fingerings.

A lot of pieces a student would play are already posted online so learning the notes is much easier by listening to other people's recordings.


Do you really want to learn the notes and rhythm by listening to someone else!s recording? First, it may not be correct but more importantly, donโ€™t you want to develop the skill of being able to learn music without hearing it played first: in other words, just by reading the score?


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Another interesting comparison I think might be difference between adult beginners and adult returners. I also feel that the experience of adult returners varies by how they got as a child and how long the break was.

I just know from my own experience some things returned quickly while other parts of my technique feel like I'm having to learn all over again. This seems to confuse my teachers, I can do some things but others not at all, how can this be is my interpretation of their dumbfounded expression when I just can't do something they expect of me.

It would be interesting get the experience of others and where their difficulties have been.

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Hi Kevin
I had a 40 year break before I came back to Piano and I have exactly the same experience as you. There were some things that came back easily, some slower and some โ€˜I donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve heard that before nowโ€™ ๐Ÿ™€


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The post I was replying to disappeared so I've deleted my post until I find out where that post went to!

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Do you really want to learn the notes and rhythm by listening to someone else's recording? First, it may not be correct but more importantly, donโ€™t you want to develop the skill of being able to learn music without hearing it played first: in other words, just by reading the score?

Definitely agree the need to develop good sight-reading skills, especially those who get into Classical music. However, learning a piece without hearing it first isn't always the reason why you'd play it. You'd find a piano version because you like listening to a Pop song "Piano Man" by Billy Joel or "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Freddie Mercury. You may not know a piece from top to bottom but you would have listened to it a few times to know roughly what it sounds like.

I got the piano version of the Abba song "Mama Mia!" long after it was released. I've already seen the musical and saw the Australian movies "Muriel's Wedding" & "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" with the song in it. Learning to sight-read we'd be playing unfamiliar pieces every week and "Mama Mia!" wouldn't be 1 of them. I still enjoy playing the piece.

Learning music by listening to other performances is 1 of the fundamentals of the Suzuki music program. In the back of every Book is a CD. Students are taught to imitate the songs in Book 1 by listening before learning to read a note starting from the "Twinkle Variations". Besides student performances, there are many online demos from Suzuki teachers. Like you go on vacation to a foreign country you hear from other people the places that are worth visiting and places to avoid so you're not wasting time exploring on your own.

A piece like the "Minuet in G" Anh 114 from the "Notebook for Anna M Bach" is so common that it is impossible to learn it from scratch without hearing it first. Once a friend of the family came to our home and her 2 kids who were in Suzuki played the M in G as a piano-violin duet (with a portable keyboard) before I got into playing piano.

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Yes, for classical or pop, you may hear it and decide you want to play it... but the reverse also happens where you see the musical score (even just a piano accompaniment) before you hear it. You want to be able to work it out based only on the score.

The point Iโ€™m trying to make is not to always go running off to hear it a few times before you decide to play it. You donโ€™t want to become reliant on having to hear it first. Think of a dotted quarter note: you need to learn how long to hold the note by learning to count. You donโ€™t want go be dependent on hearing it played first to know the length the note is played.

But then I learned how to play before the internet so most of what I learned was only from reading the score.


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Interesting discussion, I try to play through the score a few times to work on my sight reading abilities. But after some time I will look up others' performances. I learn so much from hearing others then trying to pick out the differences in the performances, why the artist played it the way they did, finding my mistakes, and imitating the best of what I find. I would never learn how to properly interpret a score on my own, and I see my teacher only twice a month so the feedback cycle would be very slow.

Of course I am still in my first year of lessons and somebody playing for 10+ years likely has a different perspective.

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The ''adult''certaintly made me laugh, I also purchase a lot of books that are way beyond me and also a Soundbrenner, soundbar to attach to my silent piano and a normal metronome.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
There is a lot of stereotypes in the video...

It's a joke, not a documentary.


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Having had violin lessons as a child (and after complaining too much, piano lessons), I feel like this video summarizes my life with musical instruments!

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A lot of younger folks (not all) lack a sense of direction. It's like driving a car out of the city but have no plan where to go or what to see. Not everybody at age 10 would know enough about the different instruments and the styles of music to know what to get into. Back in my school days someone in the family got into playing violin so the rest of us got the same teacher for violin by default. There was no road map like by the 2nd year, we should be playing "Minuet in G", 3rd year the Bach Double and so on. And then there are parents who have no music training and know very little about the music or the instruments they got their kids into. All they do is push and hope for results. Music lessons tend to be treated as part of the academic curriculum. Those who perform well would pass conservatory exams.

Adult learners have more exposure to music and have some ideas what they want to do. Many play as a hobby and have no intention of passing music exams except learn a few songs. Adults who took lessons in the past would continue learning advanced pieces.


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