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Black Lives Matter - Dizzy Gillespie Piano Tribute
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Re: Black Lives Matter - Dizzy Gillespie Piano Tribute
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Love it! Great playing!
Great images too -- I especially liked the chalkboard explaining (!?) Be-bop. And was that Jimmy Carter from the time Dizzy G was trying to teach him to sing "Salt Peanuts"?
Thanks for this. What a life, what a gift. What a tribute.


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Yes that was the peanut man himself hanging w/Diz!

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All lives matter.


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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
All lives matter.

When people say "Black lives matter," do you genuinely read that as "ONLY Black lives matter," or are you so obtuse that you don't read it as "Black lives matter TOO"? ...


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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
All lives matter.

When people say "Black lives matter," do you genuinely read that as "ONLY Black lives matter," or are you so obtuse that you don't read it as "Black lives matter TOO"? ...

You don't need to call other people "obtuse" for disagreeing with your views.


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I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.
+1

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If I can segue - I have listened to this version of A Night in Tunisia over and over. What do you think, Dave?

I am registered in the course given by the person playing the 5 string hybrid violin in the beginning, now a few decades older. Superb musician in all ways, excellent teacher. Music crosses all boundaries and is universal to everyone.

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hey that was great thanks!

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Coming to the painful events which triggered the title. Last week I watched a biography if Irwin Berlin and at one point they told of a horrible event that hit the news. Berlin was shaken, and wrote a song from the point of view of the wife, who must keep up normality as she sets the table and calls the children to supper, when her husband has just been murdered. It's called Suppertime. And was originally sung by Ethel Water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_Waters


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.

+1

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I tried to stay out of this part. Four words are often missing in forum discussions. Here they are.

What do you mean?

When you said this, what did you mean. What are your intentions?

Instead, people assume that they know what was meant, and react. I was hoping that the discussion could return to music. Instead, a charge of racism is supported a second time, in an assumption of knowing what was meant.

I was hoping someone might be interested in Supper Time, sung by Ethel Waters. For several reasons. Musical. Historical. (I had not heard of Waters before.) And it's also pertinent to the "current events" part that got opened with this thread. When I learned of this song two weeks ago, I was taken by Berlin's tactic. By making it about a wife and mother doing the everyday task of getting ready to serve supper, he made it something that everybody of all social classes, economic classes, races, countries, identifies with. Especially 50 or more years ago, people sat down together for supper. I have been taken by this song, and how it was sung. I listened to renditions by a dozen singers, many with much more beautiful voices, greater technique and training. But none, in my impression, rendered the meaning and feelings the way Waters did. Waters was born in the late 1800's, in case this makes a difference.

Can we discuss music, in the belief that music bridges all gaps and transcends all languages?

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Originally Posted by keystring
I tried to stay out of this part. Four words are often missing in forum discussions. Here they are.

What do you mean?

When you said this, what did you mean. What are your intentions?

Instead, people assume that they know what was meant, and react. I was hoping that the discussion could return to music. Instead, a charge of racism is supported a second time, in an assumption of knowing what was meant.

I was hoping someone might be interested in Supper Time, sung by Ethel Waters. For several reasons. Musical. Historical. (I had not heard of Waters before.) And it's also pertinent to the "current events" part that got opened with this thread. When I learned of this song two weeks ago, I was taken by Berlin's tactic. By making it about a wife and mother doing the everyday task of getting ready to serve supper, he made it something that everybody of all social classes, economic classes, races, countries, identifies with. Especially 50 or more years ago, people sat down together for supper. I have been taken by this song, and how it was sung. I listened to renditions by a dozen singers, many with much more beautiful voices, greater technique and training. But none, in my impression, rendered the meaning and feelings the way Waters did. Waters was born in the late 1800's, in case this makes a difference.

Can we discuss music, in the belief that music bridges all gaps and transcends all languages?


We don’t know a poster’s intent of ‘what they meant’ but for some posts, the question is best not asked so that the topic will no longer go in an inappropriate direction.

Google ‘all lives matter’ if you want the backstory. I hope this sub-topic ends as well.


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Dogperson, I know the backstory. My choice of music should show that I know the backstory. I just don't want anyone intimidated, or bad blood to happen in the forum because of the inherent difficulties of communication.

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..... so that the topic will no longer go in an inappropriate direction.


.... I hope this sub-topic ends as well.

We're of one mind here.

I introduced music sort of for that reason. Perhaps I'm alone at having been fascinated by it.

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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.

Totally.

Even if they express in latin.

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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.

Totally.

Even if they express in latin.

This.

PhilipInChina, yes, all lives matter, but all lives are not equally endangered. Thus, we must explicitly point out: Black Lives Matter.

In case your vantage point prevents you from seeing what is going on in the US, we need to keep saying Black Lives Matter because in so many cases, the exact opposite has been the operating principle, resulting in unarmed Black men and women being killed by police officers, or as in the case Ahmaud Arbery, killed by white men armed with rifles and ignorance.

We are not supposed to have political discussions on PW, so I'll keep my political opinions to myself.

But Black Lives Matter transcends politics. It's about fundamental human rights.


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Originally Posted by Ubu
Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I think it's sad that we live in a time where racism is considered a polite disagreement.

Totally.

Even if they express in latin.

This.

PhilipInChina, yes, all lives matter, but all lives are not equally endangered. Thus, we must explicitly point out: Black Lives Matter.

In case your vantage point prevents you from seeing what is going on in the US, we need to keep saying Black Lives Matter because in so many cases, the exact opposite has been the operating principle, resulting in unarmed Black men and women being killed by police officers, or as in the case Ahmaud Arbery, killed by white men armed with rifles and ignorance.

We are not supposed to have political discussions on PW, so I'll keep my political opinions to myself.

But Black Lives Matter transcends politics. It's about fundamental human rights.

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The Black Lives Matter movement have never said that all lives don't matter. The Black Lives Matter movement is saying that all lives matter and black lives are often in danger through people turning a blind eye to racism.

It's the same as LGBT rights: LGBT people aren't fighting to have more rights than anybody else. LGBT people are fighting for the same rights as everybody else, and in too many countries in the world that includes the right to be able to stay alive.

I've honestly never felt that my life is in danger because I'm white. I've seen a few things in the last few months that have opened my eyes to oppression that black people face on a daily basis, from a suspicious look to the escalation of violence that resulted in a man losing his life at the hands/knees of these police officers last week.

Yes all lives matter but we can't say that with any conviction until we make sure that black lives matter, that people aren't discriminated against because of the level of melanin in their skin or their physical attributes. I want to go as far as to say it's not just racism, it's utter stupidity. If someone thinks they are superior because they are white, they are objectively stupid. The same way if someone thinks they are superior because of who they fall in love with or who they are attracted to, or what gender they are, or what religion they do or don't follow, they are objectively stupid. Unfortunately that stupidity is costing lives.

This goes way beyond politics, it goes further than who is in the White House at any given time and it's something that is affecting all countries right now. It really has to stop.

I think we can stand with Black Lives Matter without feeling any threat to our own rights and security.

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