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Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
newer player #2985584 05/29/20 08:54 PM
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Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
$79.95 >> $49.95

"Signature Grand is a Model D 9-foot Concert Grand recorded in a beautiful hall/scoring stage. The instrument naturally excels in film and classical applications, but the user is able to craft the sound to be suitable to nearly any style of playing.

What makes our piano different? Our instrument is bursting with three-dimensional realism due to a unique sampling and scripting process that captures the beautiful early reflections of the recording space. By blending two microphone perspectives, the user is able to find the perfect balance between close and room microphones, as well as controlling the overall ambiance of the space through our "releases" controls.

Signature Grand is a deeply sampled instrument containing over 3000 samples in 24-bit, 10 dynamic levels per note, two microphone perspectives, and multi-velocity mechanical noises. Advanced features include repedaling, half-pedaling and various sympathetic resonances. Over 60 presets designed by Emmy Award-winning composer, Garth Neustadter are included covering film, classical, jazz, and pop styles. Designed for the full version of Kontakt 5 or 6 (Download Only). The instrument will not work with the free version of Kontakt."

" More than 2500 samples in 24 Bit
All 88 keys individually sampled in 10 dynamic levels
Two microphone perspectives (Close and Room)
Multi-velocity adjustable mechanical noises
Authentically modeled una corda (soft pedal) samples
Sympathetic String Resonance with real overtones
True repedaling and half-pedaling
User controllable microphone/recording noise and player noises
Adjustable releases to control early reflections and ambiance
Over 60 presets designed by Emmy Award-winning composer, Garth Neustadter

Recommended Hardware

2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo CPU
4 GB RAM
10 GB free hard drive space
Hard drive speed of at least 7200 RPM; SSD highly recommended
minimum audio buffer size of 196 or higher recommended

Kontakt Requirements

Kontakt Version 5.6 + or 6. The free version of Kontakt is not supported, but will run in 30-minute demo mode.
Ability to host 350 voices within Kontakt"

https://simplesamsamples.com/virtual-instruments/pianos/signature-grand.html

Source of news- https://vi-control.net/community/threads/simple-sam-steinway.93956/



very nice sound. What's the tune at the beginning?

Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
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Just discovered and purchased this vst, today. Here's 2 quick demos I did with it.

This is the NYC close mic perspective, out of the box. Note: it's WET even though it's a "close" mic perspective:

https://soundcloud.com/johnlgrant/1018largonycfeatureclose

The same material, now with a drier perspective:

https://soundcloud.com/johnlgrant/bach-sams-steinway-bright-and-dry

My initial take is that this is a VST that works well--incredibly well--if WET is your thing. The high end, on an initial listen, is phenomenal. The bass I really haven't had time to consider.

I posted a few observations over at VI Control, and subsequent playing confirms them, I think. Unlike HZP my uber-expensive scoring piano, this thing is definitely PLAYABLE. It also has a few more velocity layers.

The Bach-Busoni that immediately follows the second demo is a recording of a REAL Hamburg STeinway. Interesting comparison. Great playing by Mr. Rhodes, too. Can't comment on the half-pedaling; no time to assess. But, 50 bucks? A steal, I think.

Last edited by johnlewisgrant; 05/30/20 09:45 PM.

J. S. Bach Well-tempered Clavier, complete preludes and fugues (with significant MIDI analysis):

https://soundcloud.com/johnlgrant

https://www.youtube.com/user/dohgrant/playlists (slightly better sound quality)



Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
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I like this comparison between their product and acoustic piano recording.

He added a little EQ but basically they look similar. Listen from 3:25.

Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
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Originally Posted by johnlewisgrant
Just discovered and purchased this vst, today. Here's 2 quick demos I did with it.

This is the NYC close mic perspective, out of the box. Note: it's WET even though it's a "close" mic perspective:

https://soundcloud.com/johnlgrant/1018largonycfeatureclose

The same material, now with a drier perspective:

https://soundcloud.com/johnlgrant/bach-sams-steinway-bright-and-dry

My initial take is that this is a VST that works well--incredibly well--if WET is your thing. The high end, on an initial listen, is phenomenal. The bass I really haven't had time to consider.

I posted a few observations over at VI Control, and subsequent playing confirms them, I think. Unlike HZP my uber-expensive scoring piano, this thing is definitely PLAYABLE. It also has a few more velocity layers.

The Bach-Busoni that immediately follows the second demo is a recording of a REAL Hamburg STeinway. Interesting comparison. Great playing by Mr. Rhodes, too. Can't comment on the half-pedaling; no time to assess. But, 50 bucks? A steal, I think.

great sound, regardless of the price!

Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
newer player #2986529 06/01/20 08:51 AM
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Thank you for the demos. Can you say by now whether this has pedal down samples or not? It doesn't seem like it.

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Can you say by now whether this has pedal down samples or not? It doesn't seem like it.

It doesn't. Sounds like it has a simple impulse response Kontakt script.

Re: New Steinway D-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples
newer player #2986557 06/01/20 10:14 AM
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Some tips from the developer are at the Vi_Control forum...

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/simple-sam-steinway.93956/page-4#post-4570571

Originally Posted by "SimpleSamSamples, post: 4570571, member: 7636"
Hello all, and thank you so much for checking out our new piano. There are a lot of beautiful user demos posted here and I really appreciate reading all of the kind words and feedback here. We hope to post an additional video soon that gives an overview of the presets and how best to use them. Before that I'll try to clarify a couple of quick things.


1) The "Default Classical" and "Default Film" presets are the piano in its most pure form. No EQ, No compression, nothing except for 1-2 dB peak limiting on the master. Many of you will probably prefer to use these default settings and use your own external effects to mix and process in your DAW.


2) If you are hearing too much limiting, especially with the "Default Classical" or "Default Film" presets, the velocities of your controller are most likely hitting our instrument higher than we designed. First, adjust the "velocity offset" controller in the settings to a lower value. You can then experiment with the "velocity curve" setting or draw your own velocity curve onto the table.


3) Since any effects are happening on the Master Bus level, you can always just turn down the mic volume levels until they are not hitting the Master Bus effects as hard. For example if you hear too much tape saturation on a preset that is emulating a vintage recording, you can turn down the mic volume levels until the piano is hitting the tape the way you want.


4) Every preset is a particular emulation of a reference recording. We will try to post more audio comparisons when we release a preset walkthrough video. Many presets are meant for a particular playing style or dynamic range. For example, the "LA Beauty" preset is definitely geared towards super-soft Newman-esque playing and would sound terrible playing a dynamic piano concerto.

Many presets, such as "Solo Bill, 40s Art, Chicago Classic" will have quite audible distortion because of the classic vintage recording they are emulating. On a few other presets, the tape saturation is quite subtle. For example, check out 4:14 in our walkthrough video:

[MEDIA=youtube]94mVG_odT24:254[/MEDIA]

The reference film recording has a bit of subtle tape distortion which is emulated in the preset.


Overall, the key to getting the right sound with our instrument is adjusting the velocities of your controller using the velocity controls. I hope this helps clarify things a bit! We will continue to refine our instrument to give you the best playing experience possible.

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@Alex thank you for the information. Will likely pass on this one then. I'd rather get Noire at a sale instead.

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Thanks everyone for your interest in our Signature Grand!
I would love to take an opportunity to show you what our piano can do... if any of you would like to post a link (YouTube, etc.) of a real solo piano recording from a major-label release, I would love to create a comparison example with our instrument. Preferably the recording would be post-1990 and classical or film genres to make the best comparison.

If you have any other questions about the instrument, I'd be happy to answer them here. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Simple Sam Samples
Thanks everyone for your interest in our Signature Grand!
I would love to take an opportunity to show you what our piano can do... if any of you would like to post a link (YouTube, etc.) of a real solo piano recording from a major-label release, I would love to create a comparison example with our instrument. Preferably the recording would be post-1990 and classical or film genres to make the best comparison.

If you have any other questions about the instrument, I'd be happy to answer them here. Thanks!

OK, since you said that we can post YouTube links of piano performances, I'm going to take the plunge to post one of my favourite recordings of this wonderful work by Franck! You can choose any part (probably the concluding few minutes) to work on since that covers a good chunck of the keyboard. I'm looking forward to what this Steinway can do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbCwkXP2oTI

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Thanks David... I wasn't aware of that recording and we would love to put together a version of the last few minutes with our piano. Please give us a day or two and then we'll post it here!

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I like this piano very much, its size is only 4.7GB (similar to Vintage D) and sounds incredible. One thing is important when anyone start this piano for the first time and this is proper velocity settings. At default settings it sound loud and harsh. Fortunately there are velocity settings. With some modifications this piano sings very real and the price is a steal. I am looking forward for this comparison mention above.

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I like the clarity and of this recording, Keith Jarrett 1991, great tune starts at 31:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUke0YQqJv0

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Originally Posted by Simple Sam Samples
Thanks David... I wasn't aware of that recording and we would love to put together a version of the last few minutes with our piano. Please give us a day or two and then we'll post it here!

That would be wonderful! I'm curious as to whether this piano is good for playing live. That's what I'm interested to find out. smile Thanks for accepting the challenge! smile

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@slobajudge
thank you for the post. Would you say that the resonance sounds believable? If you press down the pedal and play some chords in the higher registers and let it ring, does it sound rich and full, and is it long enough? Just curious to get your opinion on this.
How do you feel the playability is compared to the Vintage D?

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
@slobajudge
thank you for the post. Would you say that the resonance sounds believable? If you press down the pedal and play some chords in the higher registers and let it ring, does it sound rich and full, and is it long enough? Just curious to get your opinion on this.
How do you feel the playability is compared to the Vintage D?

In my opinion, overall, everything about sound on this piano has proper feel, dynamics, lows are good, mids also, top end has body, (for example I don`t like top end too much in VSL pianos), resonance, room feel. It is a very good combination of realistic sound of piano and digital compromise. Its not that raw like for example Pearl concert grand. It really sings as I said and overall I don`t have complains about playability. For example, I think that VSL pianos are hard to beat in technical terms, and they are perfect for concert sound pianos. This piano is more present and the price is a steal. Developer put effort to create presets that are similar to referent recordings. One preset is pure sound of piano without EQ, saturation etc, and this is classical and film preset (the same). Some minor downsides are : it need few velocity tweaks and some notes are louder but its not that bad. Anyway, they said that will made update. I don`t play Vintage D anymore because in my opinion new libraries have better sound, and if there are complains about size of the new libraries, this Signature grand is maybe a perfect substitute for Vintage D.

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O Sloba...what has become of your love towards the Embertone Walker 1955 ? grin

I have the Signature Grand and it’s very good. Superb top end ...indeed ( much ) stronger than the VSL equivalents.
I do miss some velocity layers, that would certainly put it near the absolute top of the pack.

Anyways,...for me the Embertone 1955 ( hammer mics ) remains unrivaled for intimate close recordings with soul and a touch of roughness that normally are hard to capture with digitals.

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While I agree with most points mentioned, there are a few shortcomings, IMO:

- Resonance is not really a forte but rather an ordinary impulse script. It does something but it's not comparable to notes sampled with actual pedal resonance or real recorded resonance.

- Notes or chords can sound too short (I compare it too other libraries)

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O Sloba...what has become of your love towards the Embertone Walker 1955 ? grin

I have the Signature Grand and it’s very good. Superb top end ...indeed ( much ) stronger than the VSL equivalents.
I do miss some velocity layers, that would certainly put it near the absolute top of the pack.

Anyways,...for me the Embertone 1955 ( hammer mics ) remains unrivaled for intimate close recordings with soul and a touch of roughness that normally are hard to capture with digitals.

Its still here, I love Embertone piano much more than most of the others. It still one of my favorite, Signature piano is just another excellent flavour, a little different. I agree with you, I also want more velocity layers. We are probably all looking for only one to have and to be a perfect substitute for real piano but every one of them has some flaws, but if any developer nailed just one good side and feel of acoustic piano to inspire people to play, it is enough. Signature piano definitely nailed more than one. There are probably a lot more to coming. Now that`s a bad news for our wallets smile. My conclusion is, it is hard to be disappointed with this piano compare to price we pay for it, probably impossible.

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Hello everyone,

David Lai requested a comparison of our Signature Grand to a Murray Perahia recording of César Franck's Prélude, Choral et Fugue.
This was a challenge to play, but fun smile We've posted a link to the comparison here:

https://youtu.be/jtGEHEWKZdo

The Reference recording is the top track, while Signature Grand is the bottom. We switch back and forth between the two of them so you can compare differences quickly (it might be easiest to watch the audio meters). I'm happy to also post the full Signature Grand recording and midi.
We used our Classical Default preset with a slightly modified velocity curve to match our controller. We also volume-level matched to the reference.
The Perahia reference has a nicely focused, slightly "buzzy" mid-range, while the Signature Grand is perhaps a little more round in sound, in our opinion.

I'll be posting a followup that answers a few more of your questions and gives a little more information on what to expect (or not to expect!) from our piano.
Thanks!

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