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Articulation on Bach French Suite
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On the Courante from suite n.2.

I don't know where to play staccato so I'm playing almost all F clef staccato until i develop muscle memory and can focuss less on hands and more on hearing. Meanwhile i accept any suggestion.

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This might help:


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I would look at playing the crotchets the most detached. The quavers it depends. I would try and look at the neighbouring notes in scale pattern legato or very slightly detached and the quavers with bigger jumps more detached. I have not played so would have to experiment but just an idea. Maybe someone who has studied the piece or series can make more detailed suggestions

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What is F clef ?

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Here is my view on this piece. It is a corrente, which is an Italian relatively fast dance, unlike the French courante in 3/2 which is moderate or slow. So it is to be played lightly.

In terms of articulation, I would certainly play all the left hand quarter (and longer notes) in detached style.

For the right hand, case by case I would slightly detach the second note of the bar if there is a large leap upward from the first, in particular when the first note is notated as a separate 8th. You have to try out what works best to keep the flow while breathing so that it is not a just a long and continuous one phrase. There are also bars that are written in duple time like 16, where it makes sense to detach after the first 3 notes. The phrasing of the piece is in 2x4 bars (like all corrente); so the natural articulation points are there too. Bach inserted rests so those are natural breathing points.

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Very helpful. I've been experimenting and the more i try the more i think there're lots of ways of playing it.

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What is F clef ?
I mean the bass clef

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Originally Posted by Ubu
Very helpful. I've been experimenting and the more i try the more i think there're lots of ways of playing it.
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I find it interesting that Bach's keyboard music is subject to so many different articulations, even within the parameters of Baroque performance practice, and in the hands of Bach specialists, they all seem to work.

If you have a look at the Willard Palmer edition of the WTC, BkI, (Alfred Masterworks Edition), included are "Articulation Tables" (pp. 208-216), showing how various recording artists articulate and phrase the opening subject of each fugue of the 24 in BkI. In some instances, there are as many as 12 different articulations of a fugue's subject from such notables as Bischoff, Busoni, Czerny, Gould, Gulda, Richter, Kirkpatrick, Landowska, Demus, Leonhardt, Tureck, etc., etc., many of whom are well-respected interpreters of Bach's keyboard works.

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Listen to Keith Jarrett's version of Fr. Suite 3 - Sarabande. After that find a harpsichord recording of the French Suites. What we take for granted as articulation on a piano is to simulate the sound that came from a harpsichord when these pieces performed at the time.


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I find it interesting that Bach's keyboard music is subject to so many different articulations, even within the parameters of Baroque performance practice, and in the hands of Bach specialists, they all seem to work.

If you have a look at the Willard Palmer edition of the WTC, BkI, (Alfred Masterworks Edition), included are "Articulation Tables" (pp. 208-216), showing how various recording artists articulate and phrase the opening subject of each fugue of the 24 in BkI. In some instances, there are as many as 12 different articulations of a fugue's subject from such notables as Bischoff, Busoni, Czerny, Gould, Gulda, Richter, Kirkpatrick, Landowska, Demus, Leonhardt, Tureck, etc., etc., many of whom are well-respected interpreters of Bach's keyboard works.

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Wouldn' it also be the case for most pieces, even closer to us ? After all every pianist use more or less pedal, rubato, different phrasing, tempo even in romantic pieces where there is more specific indications. Granted for Bach there is probably a wider range sometimes. The knowledge of baroque performance has made significant progress in the last 50 years so certainly the view of people like Czerny or Bischoff is dated, even Landowska also. Then between those who play on harpsichord or clavichord and those on piano, the performance issues are different, because you would not articulate the same way. But certainly even if restricted to modern interpretations on piano, there are still differences, though I would say much less than before. Is there more than in a piece by Chopin, I dont know. Certainly this music is far away from us (musically and culturally) and thus let much more liberty to interpreters to stamp a more modern view on it. That said I think certain pianists do not necessarily play Bach in baroque performance at all, not that it is a bad thing.


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