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Ideal second-piano
#2986380 05/31/20 10:11 PM
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My recent quest to upgrade to a hybrid got me wondering... if you have a house full of pianists of varying skills levels, and already have either a good silent acoustic or hybrid, what's the ideal second piano and why? E.g., maybe a Nord Grand for the splits, laying, sample libraries, and all-around easy tinkering?


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Hm. That was a poorly worded question I think. Let me rephrase.

You have several kids in your house that are doing really well with music... composing, playing multiple instruments... and particularly keen on the piano. You also already have a fantastic piano in the house with the ability to go silent (whether via acoustic or hybrid).

What's the second keyboard instruments you put in that house just to see what happens and expand their broader interests in keyboard instruments? In the old days, that might be a Fender Rhodes, Hammond B-3, or a neat sounding upright. But what about today?


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Probably a decent but not fancy stage piano, something you wouldn't worry about getting pounded on, something that could be moved from room to room, etc. I'd go with a Roland FP-30 (natch), but Yamaha, Casio, Kawai, etc., as long as it was under $1k.

After that, maybe a cheap 61-key synth keyboard with various drum loops and such to play around with.

Then maybe a Mellotron. Just kidding. Maybe ...

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If I understand it right, you want them to explore possibilities. Maybe to achieve something like this?


If I understand the question right and cost is not an issue, maybe a workstation such as one of the Roland Fantoms with 88 keys fully weighted actions or the competitors from Yamaha (MODX?), Korg or Kurzweil.

Or maybe a controller and software synth such as Omnisphere in addition to piano VSTs.

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For the tiny price of an Arturia KeyLab you will get for free the Arturia AnalogLab + Ableton Lite + sampled Steinway D, which is an awful lot of vintage synth and keyboard sounds. But it needs a computer and speakers.

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Very cool. Keylab, in particular, looks like a sweet little all around package.


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Originally Posted by PapaJohn
Very cool. Keylab, in particular, looks like a sweet little all around package.

Yep, I'm considering buying it too, there are various options depending on number of keys, hammer or non-hammer, advanced features (the mk2 versions). I think for non-professional purposes and since you will have a good piano, one of the Essential variants (49 or 61 key) is the sweet spot and the best bargain. The AnalogLab software alone costs €200, however if you purchase the 49 Essential keyboard (€200) you will basically get the software for free (and you're free to decide which one you consider free, the software or the keyboard, no pun intended ;)) The AnalogLab is a set of all of their vintage synth models (no sampling!) however there are only ready made patches, you can't create your own patches. But AFAIK there are 2500 to cover almost anything you can imagine and it allows for a simple layer or split in two.

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