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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984574 05/27/20 11:15 AM
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By the way, in the past if you bought a VI Standard library you could request a 30-day demo license of the same Full library just by e-mailing VSL support.

Probably this practive still exist and applies to Synchron libraries as well.


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984578 05/27/20 11:30 AM
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Hi,

Chiming in here... This was possible with the VI Collections, as we always installed both Standard & Extended Library (=Full Library) in one run.
With Synchron Series products, it's not possible to order Extended Library demo licenses... the downloads have simply become too big.

A quick word regarding our demos: We will of course add more demos and videos in the coming days, and it's great to hear what you like to hear the most.
With such a great scoring stage, a very important factor for a great-sounding performance is the complexity and density of the hall.
But of course you can also get good results with "only" close mics. How did you like Stephen's take on this (starting at 2:51 - seems like the editor here doesn't take time information)?



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Paul

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ Hmm, this is very odd, sounds like Pianoteq. With a hand on my heart I'd admit that if I heard that demo without knowing what it is, I would have sworn it was Pianoteq shocked

I also agree.


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ Hmm, this is very odd, sounds like Pianoteq. With a hand on my heart I'd admit that if I heard that demo without knowing what it is, I would have sworn it was Pianoteq shocked

Incredible, you finally admit that Pianoteq sounds the same like top class sample piano. You are cured.

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Depending on how they're placed, internal mics can sound very strange at first. I think of it as "xylophone with sustain". 😁 You also hear a lot of things like the noise of the dampers which can sound out of tune.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by slobajudge
Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ Hmm, this is very odd, sounds like Pianoteq. With a hand on my heart I'd admit that if I heard that demo without knowing what it is, I would have sworn it was Pianoteq shocked

Incredible, you finally admit that Pianoteq sounds the same like top class sample piano. You are cured.

LOL!

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984725 05/27/20 05:48 PM
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There’s always a simple explanation. Maybe they just screwed the sampling wink


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984742 05/27/20 06:29 PM
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This new offering from VSL is what I’ve been waiting for. It has a clarity and warmth that the others (CFX and D) do not have. It also has the big power of a concert grand. In my opinion it surpasses the CFX and Steinway D in authenticity.

Those piano samples sound very nice, but they never made me feel like I was playing the actual pianos that VSL has in their Synchron Stage. However, this Bösendorfer Imperial feels very real. Everything seems better. The release samples are clearly improved. Dynamics are great. I believe it’s their best work yet.

I was fully ready to get a refund if I din’t like it or if it was too similar to the others in the way the samples were processed, but it’s in a league of its own. Here is a little sample of the sound.



Also, if you’re interested in comparing it to the VSL Steinway D, take a look at this video I posted in the Adult Beginners Forum.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...raise-and-gospel-course.html#Post2984736

I’m utilizing pretty much the same mics with both pianos. Steinway D on the hymnal version and Bösendorfer Imperial on the arrangement.

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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984747 05/27/20 06:45 PM
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Have played the new Imperial only for half an hour ...so very early days.
First a negative to get that out of the way...please skip the pop setting because it sounds awful with distortion on an E due to compression and eq.
I like pop piano’s very much but for some unknown reason all brands think it has to ‘cut through a mix’ in the most unpleasant way possible.
While the close condenser mic is very good in the ambient setting without the distortion.
Very playable ...brighter than the VSL Bösendorfer upright and much more dynamics and a deep bass. A bit weak last upper octave but nothing underwhelming. Still think the Garritan CFX has nailed that last one and a half octave like no other vst.

I think the VSL Imperial is a great piano...but before i start to create my own sounds i will hopefully learn more about it and get even better results.
And no...it doesn’t sound just like pianoteq...at least not the pianoteq i have.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Thanks for David's forever elegant presentation, the effect which is similar to the personal demo video on the previous page. We can hear the new BI, with much higher sound density, and can provide a closer and full sound than D274/CFX on stage A.
Maybe they improved the recording and release techniques, or maybe the near-field mics closer to the piano body than before, as I adjusted the position in the PQ.


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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Originally Posted by robinlb
We can hear the new BI, with much higher sound density, and can provide a closer and full sound than D274/CFX on stage A.

That's a great way to articulate it. I feel like I don't have the knowledge to describe the difference that I'm hearing. Your description is great. I might have to borrow it. smile

God Bless,
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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
Paul Kopf #2984758 05/27/20 07:22 PM
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May be, the BI itself is just better than Hamburg Steinway and CFX? ;-)
I prefer American Steinway and traditional Bosendorfer sound (not sure about VC) to anything else for classical.


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Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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This Bösendorfer Imperial is surprisingly brighter than I thought it'd be, but that just better suits my taste. I own the VSL CFX as well and I predominantly play solely with the condenser mic. But even with just the condenser mic alone we can already hear some reverb, and the Bösendorfer Imperial has more reverb to it than the CFX.


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It would be an amazing Piano World plot twist if the best sampling of the best piano in the world, using the pinnacle of technological innovation, running on the latest supercomputer (with 1980s-style dongle), ended up sounding like... Pianoteq 6!

Originally Posted by slobajudge
Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ Hmm, this is very odd, sounds like Pianoteq. With a hand on my heart I'd admit that if I heard that demo without knowing what it is, I would have sworn it was Pianoteq shocked

Incredible, you finally admit that Pianoteq sounds the same like top class sample piano. You are cured.

Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ Hmm, this is very odd, sounds like Pianoteq. With a hand on my heart I'd admit that if I heard that demo without knowing what it is, I would have sworn it was Pianoteq shocked

^ That was my reaction, but I wanted to stay out of Pianoteq v sampling discussion, so I kept quiet.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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I purchased the full version of Synchron Bosendorfer, and played for about 1 hour.

The first impression has been positive, definitely on the same league of their Steinway D and Yamaha CFX. It sounds close to the old Vienna Imperial while I like the new Imperial even more. It has a delicate, clean, more “European” sound, while does not have the wildness of VSL D-274. The bass and treble also sound less powerful than VSL D-274.

The D-274 was not my favorite when I purchased that VST. But it has grown on me and I started to miss that unique big dirty sound after trying this Bosendorfer. I have started playing around the setting a little bit and use my old mics settings (only condenser, ribbon, tube and mid 2, and no reverb). I have to reduce the release sample to about -8 dB to make it sound natural. Somehow I feel like this Bosendorfer is a bit harder to control than their D-274 and CFX. Maybe I need to spend more time on it.

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IMHO The reason why people think this Bosendorfer sounds like Pianoteq, is because its tone is purer and cleaner than that Steinway D in the same Synchron Stage.

Re: NEW: VSL Synchron Bösendorfer Imperial
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I had linked to this video in the Adult Beginners Forum but I thought I would include it in this thread for posterity. I took out the VSL Steinway Prelude. This is just the big ol' Bösendorfer 290. I think the extra bass strings create a richness and depth to the register while still preserving clarity in the tone. Good studio monitors really capture the beautiful bass in the sampling. This Bösendorfer 290 Imperial and VI Labs Modern U might smile be the only two VST's I will ever need.



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Sounds great !! And your playing is also improving all the time !

But i know you will buy a hypothetical VSL Steingraeber or Fazioli in a heartbeat...won’t you ? laugh

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Very nice David B!

Did you buy the full or standard version and what kind of mic setting did you use in this video?

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Originally Posted by pianistje
Sounds great !! And your playing is also improving all the time !

But i know you will buy a hypothetical VSL Steingraeber or Fazioli in a heartbeat...won’t you ? laugh

I hope not. My family might stage an intervention. whistle

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Very nice David B!

Did you buy the full or standard version and what kind of mic setting did you use in this video?

Thanks.

It's the full version. I show screen shots with my settings at the end of the videos. I'm using the Condenser, Ribbon, Mid 2, and surround.

God bless,
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