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Best portable digital piano for a classical pianist?
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I've been stuck in the Czech Republic during lockdown for 4 weeks and missing terribly my old Bösendorfer and Clavinova 585 at home in the UK. I'd like to buy a portable digital piano that I can eventually take home in the car and bring back if necessary.

I'm willing to spend up to £1,500 (¢1,700, $1,900). Most important for me are realistic piano feel and a good, natural piano sound.

I've been recommended a Kawai ES8 or a Yamaha P-515. Before I drive 100km to try them, would anyone be kind enough to advise me - are either of these good portable pianos and are any other options I should be looking at?

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If you’re used to the CLP-585, then you will feel right at home with the P515 which has exactly the same NWX keyboard action (P.S. maybe without the counterweights). But the ES8 is also an excellent piano. It has a lighter feeling action.

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Thanks CyberGene! I'll drive to Prague tomorrow and try both out.

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There's also the Roland FP-90.


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I love my Kawai ES8 for classical, but try all three mentioned above.


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I'd assume built-in speakers are a requirement, but if not you could also try the Korg Grandstage or various other stage pianos.

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Thanks everyone, for all your help and advice. I spent 4 hours (!!!) in a shop today trying to decide between the Roland FP-90 and the Yamaha P-515.

You were absolutely right CyberGene - the P-515 does feel very much like my CLP-585. (Btw, I tried the CLP-685 while I was there and concluded that the 585 is a nicer piano to play).

And the Roland did have a lighter (and to me, more pleasing) action - a little closer to my old Bösendorfer Grand which has quite a light action and that made choosing between the two very tricky (hence the 4 hours spent backwards and forwards between the two).

In the end, I opted for the Yamaha - my husband and I both preferred the sound. On the Roland, the sound seemed to come out of the speakers (which, of course, is what it does) but on the Yamaha, it really felt like the sound was coming from an acoustic piano. Also, I love the 'shouty' Bösendorfer sound from the Yamaha - an understandable personal bias considering I love my old Bösendorfer nearly as much as my husband!

Final comments - again, purely a matter of taste, but the Yamaha looks more like a musical instrument whereas the Roland looks like a high-tech electronic gadget. I've been playing grand pianos for 30 years and am pretty new to new-fangled digital ones so again, it's my personal bias.

I didn't buy the Yamaha case as it was 6,000 CZK (£200, €220, $240) - if anyone can recommend a good case that costs less I'd be really grateful.

Thanks again PianoWorld - my first time on this forum and it's been really helpful.

Olga

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Good luck with your new piano! smile

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@OlgaV - Now with 30 years experience you need to stay on board in the piano forum at least for the help given here. Surely you can pass it along wink, wink, nudge, nudge smile

Sorry I had to toss that in here because it is a sore spot of mine, of several post wonders that get the information they want and they are never heard from again.

So PLEASE consider the offer of looking at the other sub-forums and replying when you can. I'm sure you can offer some knowledge to the community.


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Which one has the bigger pivot, the 515 or the fp90 ?

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
Which one has the bigger pivot, the 515 or the fp90 ?
Pha50 (fp90) - 22 cm, no offsets between black and white keys
NWX (p515) - 19 cm, no offsets

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Which one has the bigger pivot, the 515 or the fp90 ?
Pha50 (fp90) - 22 cm, no offsets between black and white keys
NWX (p515) - 19 cm, no offsets

This definitely explains why the fp90 feels lighter especially closer to the fall. that's more than an Inch of pivot difference..

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Those aren't the numbers I have. I have NWX (and GH/GH3) listed as 21cm and the PHA-50 at 22cm.


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It seems to me that we lack an authoritative source for these pivot values ... just as we lacked the same for the down-weight measurements a while back.

I don't think I can put any faith in them. Can you?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
It seems to me that we lack an authoritative source for these pivot values ... just as we lacked the same for the down-weight measurements a while back.

I don't think I can put any faith in them. Can you?

Pivot makes more difference than simply down weight. The ENTIRE key will feel more uniform given a longer pivot.

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Those aren't the numbers I have. I have NWX (and GH/GH3) listed as 21cm and the PHA-50 at 22cm.

Yes, I have replaced a few keys on my Yamaha P-250 (GH action) and by my measurements the pivot is 21 cm.

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Those aren't the numbers I have. I have NWX (and GH/GH3) listed as 21cm and the PHA-50 at 22cm.

Aaaand this thread becomes another ‘pivot length’ thread :))
GH - 21 cm
NWX - 19-20 cm
PHA50 - 22 cm
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That chart is precisely what I was referring to in my post yesterday. The chart was thoroughly trashed here for its inaccuracy about a month ago.

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Originally Posted by Piligrim
Aaaand this thread becomes another ‘pivot length’ thread :))

As long as digitals have keys that are so fundamentally different from a real piano, the digital piano can't feel like a real piano. If the keys at the back only go down a couple of mm but a cm at the front, it can't feel like a real piano. Well I suppose it could feel like a spinet.

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