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baby's tear gives us hope
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Originally Posted by Maximillyan

I think the boy was actually upset thinking, "even I know that is not how it should sound"... jk smile

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I remember hearing the the first movement of the "Moonlight " when I was very young and also thought it was the most morbid piece I had ever heard ,ever !!!
Tovey describes the middle movement (minuet and trio ?) as a flower growing in the centre of a huge abyss .(ie between the first and last movement )
Later on ,I learn't to love the piece ,especially Rubinstein's playing of it.

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The kid did not know HOW the original should sound, I suppose. His emotional breakdown explains the great power of live classical music. It is amazing that ordinary sounds in a certain sequence can change us.

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My earliest memory is of hearing music on the TV downstairs when I was in bed. It was music in an ad. I've never found the piece, but it sounded a lot like the first section of this:


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Johnstaf, That Handle piece is in a major key ? . But yes sad and beautiful.
Even today I think of the moonlight sonata as beautiful -- not sad ,but hauntingly beautiful. The last movement like first -- dark ,but full of rage and despair.
But then for me Beethoven's music often has emotions which I do not wish to explore.I enjoy the 1st
and 2 piano concertos and think the the 4th is the greatest ,but dislike the the 3rd and the 5th.
I dislike some of his symphonies (like the Eroica ) but adore the 9th symphony.
How different we all are ! Yet we all love piano music.
I guess Bach ,Mozart ,Schubert ,Schumann and Chopin,Debussy I understand. Perhaps some of Beethoven's I shall understand in another life.

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What is the name of the Handle piece?

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I understand why that child is crying.I do not think young children enjoy those dark harmonies.Think of children's piece's --- Twinkle Twinkle little Star, Baa Baa Black Sheep ,--- all major keys, simple structures.Perhaps I am wrong .,it is an interesting subject though. Thank you Max for sharing !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Johnstaf, That Handle piece is in a major key ? . But yes sad and beautiful.
Even today I think of the moonlight sonata as beautiful -- not sad ,but hauntingly beautiful. The last movement like first -- dark ,but full of rage and despair.
But then for me Beethoven's music often has emotions which I do not wish to explore.I enjoy the 1st
and 2 piano concertos and think the the 4th is the greatest ,but dislike the the 3rd and the 5th.
I dislike some of his symphonies (like the Eroica ) but adore the 9th symphony.
How different we all are ! Yet we all love piano music.
I guess Bach ,Mozart ,Schubert ,Schumann and Chopin,Debussy I understand. Perhaps some of Beethoven's I shall understand in another life.
I misunderstood you Johnstaf I thought you meant you heard the Moonlight and it reminded you of
the Handle piece......I should have read more carefully.

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Our daughter used to cry to minor-key songs when 1-year old. And it wasn’t that she was moved but, as it turned out later, she didn’t like them. Now that she can speak, she just asks me to stop playing pieces like that 😁 She likes “Twinkle twinkle little star”, Baby shark, Finger family and the likes. But who knows, maybe that child was deeply moved by the Moonlight.


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I sang with my daughter a lot, especially when she was a baby and toddler. She definitely had songs that she enjoyed more than others, but I only remember one that made her cry. Later on she described one that we sang about Mommy and I never understood what upset her about the song. It was major lots of minor third intervals, so happy and easy to sing.

Later on, when she was older, she shared with me what bothered her about the "Mommy Song". Whenever she sang it she would think about "What if Mommy weren't here?", and that made her cry every time.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Perhaps I am wrong .,it is an interesting subject though. Thank you Max for sharing !

You are not mistaken,Lady Bird. A child can react differently to different sounds. It cannot explain them at least somehow as for simple human, since it has nothing to compare with. It's deep ego opens up the universe there, which can be beautiful and terrible. The value of the video is that an innocent child inexplicably reacts to a palette of sounds. It's fine.

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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Whenever she sang it she would think about "What if Mommy weren't here?", and that made her cry every time.
adorably

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
My earliest memory is of hearing music on the TV downstairs when I was in bed. It was music in an ad. I've never found the piece, but it sounded a lot like the first section of this:

thanks, johnstaf
unhuman music, It's Music of Heaven. I was crushed by this G minor, interspersed miracabletyly with major 3 third. G minor is a very gloomy tone, but gives hope here.
For me, the F Sharp minor (Dark Blue) Minor has always been very hoarse defiant and delightful, inexplicable.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
What is the name of the Handle piece?
Sorry Handel not Handle -- George Frederick Handel to be exact

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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What is the name of the Handle piece?
Sorry Handel not Handle -- George Frederick Handel to be exact



Menuet from Suite in G Minor HWV 439
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I agree the piece seems almost "too bright" at the begining ,almost like "Christmas" then minor modulations and then again like "light"......Think I'm losing it ,I had better disappear.

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What is the name of the Handle piece?
Sorry Handel not Handle -- George Frederick Handel to be exact



Menuet from Suite in G Minor HWV 439
Handel-kempff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9ad2J0LzQ
It must be the sleepless night I have had that it sounds like a major key at the beginning.I have been posting since about 4am. Yet it still sounds so bright to me ? Perhaps it was first listening to the Moonlight Sonata first -- Anyway !!!!

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Originally Posted by Maximillyan
The kid did not know HOW the original should sound, I suppose. His emotional breakdown explains the great power of live classical music. It is amazing that ordinary sounds in a certain sequence can change us.

I'll offer another explanation, prompted by the video being entirely a closeup of the kid not the performance. Maybe mom/dad have forced him to stand there listening to the piece and being videod with a bunch of boring adults standing still when he wants to be out playing or basically doing anything else. He seems upset right from the very start of the video so, from what is shown, that's my best guess. Maybe he's camera shy as well, who knows.

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Originally Posted by Maximillyan
The kid did not know HOW the original should sound, I suppose. His emotional breakdown explains the great power of live classical music. It is amazing that ordinary sounds in a certain sequence can change us.

I respectfully disagree smile

my original post there was an attempt for a joke... I guess it wasn't much successful there smile

I guess whoever played was a kid also. Bad playing still (am I too harsh ?? million hours listening to the masters playing that pieces could make you like that I guess smile )

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