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Re: Sad piano article on Classic FM...
dogperson #2982887 05/23/20 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dogperson
We’re all different regarding the emotional element regarding vintage pianos. For me, if my 1903 M & H needs rebuilding, I will rebuild even if I can’t recoup the cost. That doesn’t make me right or wrong, but just different and I’m sure I’m a small minority here.

It’s not just the touch and sound but the wonderful, outrageous legs and daydreaming about the many generations who played this piano before me —- with similar struggles 😊. For me, the experience is worth the economic downside. I can see why restorers and many pianists would prefer new.

I am of the same mind.

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With some simplification: Every piano in the dumpster makes room for one new piano to be built.


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Originally Posted by Gretel
With some simplification: Every piano in the dumpster makes room for one new piano to be built.


In this case, one acoustic in the dumpster made room for one new digital.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
We’re all different regarding the emotional element regarding vintage pianos. For me, if my 1903 M & H needs rebuilding, I will rebuild even if I can’t recoup the cost. That doesn’t make me right or wrong, but just different and I’m sure I’m a small minority here.
I don't think one has to be able recoup the cost to make it financially reasonable although I've heard this many times on PW.
1. If one buys a new piano and then sells it one can rarely recoup the cost.
2. I think the real question for financial reasonableness should be if it costs x dollars to rebuild the piano how will the resulting piano compare with what one can buy for x dollars in the new, used, or rebuilt piano market? f

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Everyone has their own perspective. From mine, an old piano has a story to tell. The older it is, the more "life" it's lived. It's intriguing, a conversation piece. It's also a piano, of course. Which brings us to the notions of whether or not it needs a new soundboard, bridges, pin block, strings, etc, but in the large it's not an either-or trade off. A nicely rebuilt piano can be 100% "piano", and also 110% interesting relic of the past. Brand new pianos are readily available in showrooms near you (well, at least in theory). One need only write a check. Or swipe the plastic, tap your phone, or whatever. Old interesting pianos are fewer and father between. Some are "worth" restoring. Many more are worthy of consideration.



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That piano certainly looked in good condition to me except for the obvious damage caused by being
thrown in the dumpster. "Old pianos" yes I certainly have my memories very good old pianos that I eventually had to sell because of various reasons.
They are still treasured ,and I hope they are still loved, even if they have become nothing more than furniture.

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"...Everyone has their own perspective. From mine, an old piano has a story to tell. The older it is, the more "life" it's lived. It's intriguing, a conversation piece. It's also a piano, of course. Which brings us to the notions of whether or not it needs a new soundboard, bridges, pin block, strings, etc, but in the large it's not an either-or trade off....."

Thanks, Retsacnal. This is the exact process I try to persuade novice buyers, of used pianos, to experience before they commit to buy an older piano. An experienced eye can read the story of this instrument and tell not only its past, but its likely future.

You put it over the plate very nicely.


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Let's not have a repeat.

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Well after the article and sad picture of the grand piano in the dumpster, I hope the administrator who decided to just stick pianos in the dumpster has gotten plenty of feedback from staff, students, and general public that he or she will never do that again.


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Well after the article and sad picture of the grand piano in the dumpster, I hope the administrator who decided to just stick pianos in the dumpster has gotten plenty of feedback from staff, students, and general public that he or she will never do that again.

Does the administrator have any flexibility on how to handle university property? We really don’t know if this was or was not appropriate disposal of pianos.


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Well after the article and sad picture of the grand piano in the dumpster, I hope the administrator who decided to just stick pianos in the dumpster has gotten plenty of feedback from staff, students, and general public that he or she will never do that again.

Does the administrator have any flexibility on how to handle university property? We really don’t know if this was or was not appropriate disposal of pianos.

Hopefully if this was considered appropriate by the university administration, their wasteful, distressing methods of disposal of old pianos and old instruments will be changed for the better.


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Does the administrator have any flexibility on how to handle university property? We really don’t know if this was or was not appropriate disposal of pianos.
The president of the college or university has the ultimate authority to interpret the state or federal policies/guidelines the way they see fit. As for flexibility, I think it has more to do with the interpretation of the policies and guidelines, but, yes, there is a lot of flexibility in what different colleges/universities in the same state, country or region might do.

When I worked for the state technical college, the president answered to the commissioner of the Technical College System of Georgia, which is similar to the University System of Ga, but is a different state department. The commissioner is selected/appointed by the governor of the state and answers to the governor as long as the governor is in office.

I had to attend consortium meetings twice a year where all the other program coordinators from all the other technical colleges from around the state (about 30 of them) would meet twice a year to discuss our specific program's structure, curriculum, policies, procedures and organization. I was always very surprised at how different other technical colleges around the state functioned and ran their programs. We were all supposed to follow the same state structure, policies and guidelines, but those policies and guidelines were interpreted very differently by the individual colleges.

It was like each college sort of did their own thing they way they wanted to do it. There were vast differences when it came to following financial aid policies. For example, some colleges financial aid departments would pay for certain things that other financial aid departments said were illegal and against the rules. I was always astonished and surprised at the inconsistencies in how the different colleges were run. It was like each college was its own separate entity to an extent.

There were oversight committees that would visit all the technical colleges and review the policies and procedures and how they run things. It was called the PAR (Performance Accountability Review) committee. They made their rounds about once every 3 years or so. If the PAR team found anything amiss, it was called a "finding" and listed in a report that went to the college president and the state commissioner's office. If a finding was noted, the college had to come up with a plan to correct the problem within a certain timeframe.

Didn't mean to write a book, but, yes, I would imagine that the president or head administrator at any college or university has a lot of latitude to run things as they see fit, within certain guidelines, that can be interpreted in different ways. And, I would imagine that would entail the asset management and liquidation of pianos as well as other college or university surplus property.

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