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Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club
Kawai James #2982369 05/22/20 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
ag_jazz_piano, thank you for sharing the pictures of your CA99EP, and the lovely video. Very nicely played!

Which sound are you using for this piece, may I ask?

Kind regards,
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ps. May I ask what is the round, metal object to the right of your piano?

Kawai James,
There have already been quite a few reports of rattle noise coming from the speakers on the CA79. See the last couple of pages. Could you share a comment on this issue, please?

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Martinez #2982375 05/22/20 02:42 AM
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Hello Martin,

It is my understanding that the customers who are experiencing noise from speakers have contacted their dealer and/or local Kawai distributor, and that these reports are currently being investigated.

I'm afraid I don't have a great deal more information than that at this stage.

Kind regards,
James
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Martinez #2982389 05/22/20 04:15 AM
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@ Kawai James
Thank you James. I am using the piano sound by default, that is the SK-EX Concert Grand, the best by far vs. the other piano sounds.
Given the size of my room, i sometimes change the ambiance setting (stage or large room).
For romantic pieces (Schubert, Schummann) i also use SK-EX rendering type "Romantic" or EX-Concert Grand rendering type "Warm".

@ Parkher
When i set up the piano in my living room, i had read all the discussions/threads regarding the distance to the wall.
I have put it around 10cm away from the wall (you also need to let some space for the electric plug).
Aesthetically, this is not the best, but from a sound perspective i don't have any issue (even with lound volume, it's perfect).


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Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club
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Originally Posted by Parkher
ag_jazz_piano,

It seems you have a lot of room to experiment with the piano's distance from the wall.
Any conclusions?
Some people are saying - at least 20 cm from the wall, others - at least 30 cm. What if even more?
And for each distance, there are Wall EQ and Tone Control settings to play with.

Is wall eq on CA99 adjustable now? On CA98 it's only options on/off.

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Originally Posted by Parkher
ag_jazz_piano,

It seems you have a lot of room to experiment with the piano's distance from the wall.
Any conclusions?
Some people are saying - at least 20 cm from the wall, others - at least 30 cm. What if even more?
And for each distance, there are Wall EQ and Tone Control settings to play with.

Is wall eq on CA99 adjustable now? On CA98 it's only options on/off.

More than on/off: off/brick/plasterboard
And then you have in Sound Control: Bass Boost, etc.

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Nice, thanks for the info, those are pretty big improvements for me.

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Martin Kjeld #2982507 05/22/20 12:07 PM
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Martin,
I picked up a really nice pair of headphones the other day to see if it changed anything. the rattle sound is nonexistent with the headphones but at higher volume levels the white noise is still very prevalent while using the headphones. In my personal opinion the white noise is more annoying than the rattle while playing the piano at higher volumes. The white noise is amplified when using the sustain pedal. I’m assuming because I can hear the white noise while using headphones that the sound is coming from the sample. The white noise is so apparent to me though, that I have a hard time believing that if it’s in the sample there are not more people expressing dissatisfaction. Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?

@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?

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I did not follow the entire thread but I have a question. Does this white noise appears when you move the sustain pedal up and down?

Reason for the question: wondering if this white noise could be the sustain pedal noise.

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Martinez #2982640 05/22/20 08:48 PM
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No, the white noise/rattle I am experiencing comes by pressing the keys, not only by the sustain pedal. I can say btw that I like the sustain pedal noise, its very realistic, but totally different from the kind of noise/rattle I get through the speakers while playing forte or fortissimo. It seems like the speakers cant handle the frequency or dynamic.

So far I am still waiting for my dealer to give any information about the further steps.

Originally Posted by Khavens
Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?
@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?

While I was in the store playing the piano and talking about the noise there was actually a discussion between people who could hear it and people who could not hear it. My ears are not the best for sure.. but hey I heard it also there and I was not alone. But it was strange for me to believe that there are actually people who could not hear it. Maybe they just didnt focus on it.

But I also want to believe that there are many CA79 instruments out there, which dont have this noise/rattle problem, its my only hope that an exchange will be worth it.

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@Ryner
We should realize that Kawai actually improved the onboard sound engine on new CA79/99. But there may be no upgraded for tweeters installed.
In fact, on my CA98, this kind of distortion would not have occurred if only the onboard sound engine was used, but when some external VSTs was input, such as VSL D274/PQ Bechstein I tested, which has more dynamic and more abundant high pitch overtones or vibration, the problem occurred in some of the high notes areas. Although they're only 2~3 notes.
But I think this problem can be solved in a software way by adjusting the EQ and the resonant overtones with note by note, or choose a heavier keyboard velocity such as normal to heavy not light. Maybe kawai can solve it with a firmware upgrade.


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Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club
Amy H #2982671 05/22/20 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Amy H
I contributed to this months recital on the forum. I recorded it on the CA79 and then saved it directly to USB, into Audacity to make it a bit louder, and that's it.
Just for anyone that is curious of what the CA79 sounds like directly from the instrument - and listen to me playing one of my favourites :-)

Click to play!

What are the chances a second CA79 owner would choose this piece to demo their piano? Kawai should get Alexis Ffrench on payroll... he seems to only play Yamaha!


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navindra #2982723 05/23/20 06:25 AM
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It is commendable that in the time interval of 2:54, he (or anyone who wrote this transcription) performed B flat, and not G, as written in official sheet music. On recordings, Alexis performs exactly B flat, but most people perform G, as prescribed in sheet music.

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Originally Posted by 9190
It is commendable that in the time interval of 2:54, he (or anyone who wrote this transcription) performed B flat, and not G, as written in official sheet music. On recordings, Alexis performs exactly B flat, but most people perform G, as prescribed in sheet music.

That Youtube channel and playing is actually me. So first of all thanks a lot for sharing it @Navindra.
And to answer your nice comment 9190:

I actually cannot read sheet music, I learn by following tutorials and listening to pieces, so I'm a little more "free" to play based on what I heard and Youtube tutorials.
I heard Alexis Ffrench is also playing it like that and I really liked that extra touch of the bflat.

BTW: I played another piece "Porz Goret" by Yann Tiersen on the CA79 for anybody who wants to check it out. The sound of this piano is really a joy to play
Thanks again guys!

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If you are not blind - you can read sheet music.
The note right in the middle between the two staves is middle C.
On the keyboard it is also the C unmistakably closest to the middle.
And then you go up and down from there.
That's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by lovelovemale
That Youtube channel and playing is actually me. So first of all thanks a lot for sharing it @Navindra.
And to answer your nice comment 9190:

I actually cannot read sheet music, I learn by following tutorials and listening to pieces, so I'm a little more "free" to play based on what I heard and Youtube tutorials.
I heard Alexis Ffrench is also playing it like that and I really liked that extra touch of the bflat.

BTW: I played another piece "Porz Goret" by Yann Tiersen on the CA79 for anybody who wants to check it out. The sound of this piano is really a joy to play
Thanks again guys!

Your piano is gorgeous. I'm glad your move to Germany and selling your new CA98 worked out in the end. I'm jealous that you have Kawai's latest and greatest sound engine with tweaked samples, as it really does sound fantastic to me.

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Just wanted to add that I am also unfortunately experiencing a rattle from the top-left side of my new CA99. It’s honestly so noticeable above ~60% volume that it’s hard to overlook.

Really wanted to love this piano as it seemed perfect. Will have to contact my dealer and let them know frown

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@Navindra: Thanks a lot! Your NV10 is also pretty awesome to be honest :P

@Razobill: too bad frown - hopefully you can get that fixed quickly!

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Originally Posted by Razorbill
Just wanted to add that I am also unfortunately experiencing a rattle from the top-left side of my new CA99. It’s honestly so noticeable above ~60% volume that it’s hard to overlook.

Really wanted to love this piano as it seemed perfect. Will have to contact my dealer and let them know frown
This problem seems almost common. Probably just loose screw of cables, I'd advice to point technician into that direction.

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Originally Posted by Khavens
Martin,
I picked up a really nice pair of headphones the other day to see if it changed anything. the rattle sound is nonexistent with the headphones but at higher volume levels the white noise is still very prevalent while using the headphones. In my personal opinion the white noise is more annoying than the rattle while playing the piano at higher volumes. The white noise is amplified when using the sustain pedal. I’m assuming because I can hear the white noise while using headphones that the sound is coming from the sample. The white noise is so apparent to me though, that I have a hard time believing that if it’s in the sample there are not more people expressing dissatisfaction. Maybe my ears are just super sensitive? To all you folks out there that are 100% happy with your 79/99 are you hearing any white noise while using sustain and playing the piano at medium to high volume?

@kawai James, are you able to hear any type of white noise while playing the 79/99?

About the "white" noise:

In this video when he is playing the rendered pianos, there is a clear white noise in the background (easily heard at 0:20). I guess the audio in this recording is from the line out (or direct to USB), so there really seems to be a problem with the sample.


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Originally Posted by WalthervonStolzing
About the "white" noise:

In this video when he is playing the rendered pianos, there is a clear white noise in the background (easily heard at 0:20). I guess the audio in this recording is from the line out (or direct to USB), so there really seems to be a problem with the sample.


I can not hear that noise at 0:20 with my headphones... maybe they filter it somehow, but I do hear a constant noise while he is playing, almost with all sounds, what a bad recording quality it is...

I guess my new exchange CA79 will be delivered next week. I got the offer to change the instrument because I have a screen problem (white or black screen after starting) AND the noise/rattle issue. I really hope the forte/fortissimo speaker sound will be clean in the new instrument.. otherwise I am not sure what to do!?

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