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Re: Yamaha / Kawai high-end uprights vs baby grands
U3piano #2982631 05/22/20 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by U3piano
Don't worry, you have not offended me at all. There's no need to think our piano's are the best, just because we own them. smile And I have no problem at all accepting a german piano twice the price of mine is probably the better piano, but.. I am just really curious to hear that difference now! If the difference is substantial I might just look for a German piano in the future, I live in Holland so that shouldn't be too hard.

I like my u3, but I can't get the idea of a small(ish) grand out of my head, so I see no reasons why it couldn't be a German one. smile
Yes smallish grands can very nice.You sound like you are young so you have plenty of time to choose. A small Yahama C1 ,Kawai GL ,GX or a European grand would be great ! In the mean time
just enjoy your piano !

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Re: Yamaha / Kawai high-end uprights vs baby grands
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
well but I do not think your or my piano can sound as good as a 6 foot grand in rendering very big pieces. The A flat major Polonaise really would always sound better on a 6foot or bigger grand.
The same as the Rachmaninoff concertos.That is for sure !

This is very true but I was bit surprised how, in some ways, the differences are smaller than I thought between grand and upright. We were treated to a fine pianist letting rip with the Rachmaninov on both the K800 and SE132 we liked and also on the Shigeru SK-7. The big grand clearly was in a different league with power, weight and projection, especially in that large venue, that the uprights could come nowhere near, yet, there was a clear family resemblance between k800 and SK-7 and, power aside, the portrayal was much more similar than seems reasonable. The Yamaha was by comparison less convincing on a piece of this scale but it is a very fine piano, if as expensive as some European models. It's strength is I think what Yamahas are mostly criticised for and that is its treble which does have a sweet quality underlying the clarity and for some pieces suited more.

It is difficult to generalise about pianos and tone, they are all so different.

Re: Yamaha / Kawai high-end uprights vs baby grands
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Yes it is rather strange to hear the family resemblance in a certain brands. I have tried a rather expensive Artres 122 (actually a Maly design ) ,and other models of Sauter uprights.They are very much the same.In fact the Sauter Ambiant semi concert (over 7 ft ), still some timbre or tone that relates to the uprights.

I tried a Shigeru (smaller one) but never had the chance to spend much time with it.
That sounds like quite an enjoyable time ,the K800 and SE132 playing a Rachmaninoff concerto.
So the SE132, is that the top Yamaha upright which has an SMP price of something like $38,000
We do not get that one in Canada so I have never seen it.Enjoy your new piano ,by the way.

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Thank LB, we are enjoying it very much.
Yamaha's top upright is I believe still the SU7, there wasn't one of these to try in our comparisons and it's a bit beyond our intended budget as well. The SE132 is a newer model sitting below the SU7 but above YU5 and its marketing puff says that the SE is a special 'European Voiced' edition. Be that as it may, we found it a very nice piano - if my main interest was playing Bach or Jazz it would have been my first choice.

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I notice that different grand pianos have a different number of back posts. For example, the 6'2" GX3 has 4 back posts while the 5'11" GX2 has 3 back posts, and larger grands tend to have more back posts. Are the back posts simply there to distribute weight or do they also play a role in the piano's acoustic?

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