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#2981867 05/20/20 08:09 PM
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I’ve read most posts regarding the correspondence course on this forum and I torn between enrolling in Rick Butler’s program and learning from various publications combined with local org members. Would it be better for me to have some streamlined learning from a correspondence course before asking for in-person mentoring? So far I’ve been going through Reblitz book as a main material but it would be really nice to have someone who is willing to answer my beginner questions.

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Take a look at Jim Busby's pia'no technician tutorial ebooks.
These may be the best introduction available for a surprisingly low cost.
http://www.pianotechniciantutorials.com/ibooks.php


Ed Sutton, RPT
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Thank you, Ed. The ebooks seem really good and I’m looking forward to the planned volumes on repair topics. The only downside is Jim doesn’t have the tuning ebook out yet and I only have a spinet for practice at the moment so I can’t quite go through with his regulation or voicing books. In addition, I’m having some trouble tuning it mostly on stability. I can’t tell if that’s due to not tuned for quite a while, somewhat loose pins, or solely my lack of skills, but I’m beginning to wonder if I need a better practice piano...

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I think you´ll soon need a better piano. I wonder if anyone has ever learned to tune pianos with just a spinet to work on. You´ll find a better piano will be easier to tune and your skills will advance more quickly. When I was studying for the tuning exam, all I had was an 1880´s Chickering grand and a few turn-of-the-century uprights at the conference center where I worked. I think that would be the bare minimum you´d need to bring yourself up to a professional standard, if that is your goal. I was held back by not having newer, better pianos to work on.


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I'll suggest an exercise you can do on a spinet that will be very helpful.
It's slightly counterintuitive.

1) Detune a unison near middle C (Just use two strings).
2) Adjust it to a beat rate you can identify, say 4 or 6 beats per second.
3) Now tune it to beat a little bit slower, say go from 4 to 3 bps.
4) Now make it even slower, say 2 bps.
5) Continue, getting closer and closer to a pure unison, but not quite. Listen to the beat qualities.
6) When you get close at the fundamental level, you'll start to hear beating at a higher partial.
7) As one partial level gets close to pure, you'll begin hearing the next higher partial beating.
8) Continue to go closer and closer to pure, listening at higher partials, until finally you can't avoid a pure unison.

This exercise will help you learn quickly to listen to all the tonal areas of the unison.

Now do the same thing, but try to match two neighboring notes for equal beat rates, side-by-side through the exercise.

Remember, tempering is carefully mistuning a pure interval, so by doing this you are preparing yourself for things to come.


Ed Sutton, RPT
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Thank you for the suggestion, Bob. I’m currently on a lookout for a grand for playing purposes so hopefully I get to practice on something better at some point. I’ll also look into an opportunity to practice on a taller upright. Meanwhile, the extending hammer that I have ordered came in mail today and wow, what a difference compared to a non-extending one.

Ed, you’ve helped me finally recognize and even count the beats as opposed to merely judging the quality of the tone/sound as a whole. And yes, I’m also hearing the higher partials for the first time. Just to make sure, I’ve compared to the tunelab and sure enough, when I counted roughly 1 bps there is about 4Hz difference between the 2 strings. Your exercise is so much more detailed and precise than what I’ve gathered from the Reblitz book. Thank you so much!!!

At this point, I’m tempted to pick up Piano Inside Out, Pace booklets, past pgt journals and others for parallel reading.


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