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Yamaha P-515 vs. DGX-660 (Ownership Comparison)
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I recently upgraded from the DGX-660 to the P-515 and thought I would share my experience with those looking to make the same upgrade. As always, you should try out the instrument in-person before buying.

Touch
Having played the P-515 for a few weeks now, I will concur that it is a more substantial action. The NWX action is a little heavier than the GHS action but it’s not a night and day difference. I have already gotten used to it. Maybe it’s because I prefer substantial actions.

Piano Sounds
I love the Bosendorfer sound. I am a Chopin guy and his pieces sound awesome on the Bosendorfer sound. I switch to the CFX if what I’m playing is a brighter, happier piece. The two marque piano sounds are definitely very distinct. It’s nice of Yamaha to offer them both. I don’t use the other sounds except the organ sounds which also sound nice.

Build Quality
The P-515 weighs about the same as the DGX-660 but man, it feels much heavier lugging it around. It’s very solidly built though and gives the impression that it would last forever which shouldn’t be surprising as it’s a Yamaha.

Stand
The P-515’s stand (L515) is way nicer than the DGX-660’s stand. You can tell it’s an instrument that cost more. Unfortunately, the stand weighs about 2x the DGX-660’s stand. To give you some perspective, the box that the stand came in is longer than the P-515’s box which is already quite huge.

Software
The Yamaha Smart Pianist app is cool. Being able to control the piano completely from an app is very nice indeed. Unfortunately, I have been unsuccessful in connecting the P-515 to Smart Pianist via Bluetooth so as of now, I’m using a cable. I don’t believe the DGX-660 is compatible with the Smart Pianist so this is one nice feature of the P-515.

Speakers
This to me is the P-515’s Achilles’ heel. To be frank, I have been disappointed with P-515’s speakers. I held on to the DGX-660 a bit before getting rid of it and to my ears, its speakers are superior to the P-515. Size wise, the DGX-660 is wider and looking at the spec sheet, I think it’s speakers are physically bigger than the P-515’s.
I have an acoustic and bought the P-515 to use for silent practice. I have resorted to using it exclusively through headphones (Philips SHP9500). As a point of comparison, I rarely used the DGX-660 through headphones. Maybe Yamaha intentionally gimped the speakers to not cannibalize the CLP-645.

Summary
The P-515 is a nice solidly built DP with great piano sounds. Its speakers are a disappointment but if you are not using headphones, you can get some good quality powered bookshelves to rectify that issue. Comparing the two, the DGX-660 really is a great bang for the buck DP. No wonder it sold like hot cakes. All it needs is the NWX action and CFX + Bosendorfer sounds and it will be perfect.


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I agree - I had my eye on the DGX-660 until I played the CP-88 (same action as the P515). At first I really liked the P515's speakers, but when I listened with headphones, it sounded much better. The DGX-660 has better speakers; they sound more natural. I find it odd why Yamaha did that. Spec-wise, the P515 has much louder speakers but I cannot feel/hear that. I really like the action on the P515 compared to the DGX-660 (and obviously the sampling).


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Also, the ivory keytops look a tiny bit yellow - and for some reason I really like that.


Finally bought the P515
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Before anyone says "it's because ivory has a small shade of yellow", I know that - i'm just saying it's pretty apparent and you can notice it quickly.


Finally bought the P515
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Originally Posted by major_key_minor
I recently upgraded from the DGX-660 to the P-515 and thought I would share my experience with those looking to make the same upgrade. As always, you should try out the instrument in-person before buying.

Touch
Having played the P-515 for a few weeks now, I will concur that it is a more substantial action. The NWX action is a little heavier than the GHS action but it’s not a night and day difference. I have already gotten used to it. Maybe it’s because I prefer substantial actions.

Piano Sounds
I love the Bosendorfer sound. I am a Chopin guy and his pieces sound awesome on the Bosendorfer sound. I switch to the CFX if what I’m playing is a brighter, happier piece. The two marque piano sounds are definitely very distinct. It’s nice of Yamaha to offer them both. I don’t use the other sounds except the organ sounds which also sound nice.

Build Quality
The P-515 weighs about the same as the DGX-660 but man, it feels much heavier lugging it around. It’s very solidly built though and gives the impression that it would last forever which shouldn’t be surprising as it’s a Yamaha.

Stand
The P-515’s stand (L515) is way nicer than the DGX-660’s stand. You can tell it’s an instrument that cost more. Unfortunately, the stand weighs about 2x the DGX-660’s stand. To give you some perspective, the box that the stand came in is longer than the P-515’s box which is already quite huge.

Software
The Yamaha Smart Pianist app is cool. Being able to control the piano completely from an app is very nice indeed. Unfortunately, I have been unsuccessful in connecting the P-515 to Smart Pianist via Bluetooth so as of now, I’m using a cable. I don’t believe the DGX-660 is compatible with the Smart Pianist so this is one nice feature of the P-515.

Speakers
This to me is the P-515’s Achilles’ heel. To be frank, I have been disappointed with P-515’s speakers. I held on to the DGX-660 a bit before getting rid of it and to my ears, its speakers are superior to the P-515. Size wise, the DGX-660 is wider and looking at the spec sheet, I think it’s speakers are physically bigger than the P-515’s.
I have an acoustic and bought the P-515 to use for silent practice. I have resorted to using it exclusively through headphones (Philips SHP9500). As a point of comparison, I rarely used the DGX-660 through headphones. Maybe Yamaha intentionally gimped the speakers to not cannibalize the CLP-645.

Summary
The P-515 is a nice solidly built DP with great piano sounds. Its speakers are a disappointment but if you are not using headphones, you can get some good quality powered bookshelves to rectify that issue. Comparing the two, the DGX-660 really is a great bang for the buck DP. No wonder it sold like hot cakes. All it needs is the NWX action and CFX + Bosendorfer sounds and it will be perfect.

Nice summing up. I think you'll enjoy the 515 more as time progresses. Don't write off the speakers. Those in the CLP645 aren't much better. I think somebody messed up the crossover from woofer to tweeter, or limited the bass so they could justify their power output..
I've got used to playing mine with or without headphones.
Have fun!


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Nice comparison!

Also to connect wirelessly to the smart pianist app you need ee a WiFi dongle (UD-WL01) to make it work. The built-in Bluetooth is only to stream audio to the p-515.

The smart pianist app has some more features then to just control the piano so that’s why it’s necessary to have the dongle.

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Regarding the speakers: you can't expect a raw from a pussy cat.

IMO, anyone buying a portable piano that wants headphone quality sound is going to require extra amplification.
It's one thing amplifying a keyboard that has arranger functionality (as I know from owning a PSR7000) and quite another to optimize speakers for high-quality piano.

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Strange, I liked P-515 sound and speakers more than DGX-660 sound and speakers when comparing those, found then clearer sounding. Maybe because I like bright sounding pianos. But bass response can't be excellent with such speakers. P-515 will be really bulky and a bit heavier than it is with circular woofers instead of oval woofers it has. And it is quite heavy, 22 kg. But the piano samples are far superior in P-515, you can always add some monitors to P-515 in the future, but you won't upgrade the samples in DGX-660.

Thanks for sharing your impressions!


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If you find the bass lacking in the P515, you could add this subwoofer :
https://www.thomann.de/be/yamaha_ks_sw100.htm

In this video, they even seem to recommend it when you buy a P515...
https://youtu.be/zXym8-Cv8QM?t=301


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Originally Posted by UpNorth
meh

Very constructive comment.


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Originally Posted by joemama42O
I agree - I had my eye on the DGX-660 until I played the CP-88 (same action as the P515). At first I really liked the P515's speakers, but when I listened with headphones, it sounded much better. The DGX-660 has better speakers; they sound more natural. I find it odd why Yamaha did that. Spec-wise, the P515 has much louder speakers but I cannot feel/hear that. I really like the action on the P515 compared to the DGX-660 (and obviously the sampling).

If you had nothing else to compare it to and listened to the P-515 by itself, you might not realize it's speakers could be better. However coming from the DGX-660, I had a point of reference. I had the DGX-660 and P-515 side by side and played them back and forth. To my ears, the speaker quality distinction was very clear; the DGX-660 speakers have a certain fullness to it in the mid-range which is lacking in the P-515. I don't think it's a loudness issue.

I suspect Yamaha intentionally did this to not eat into the CLP-645 sales because the P-515 is essentially a portable CLP-645. Matter of fact, i never played the P-515 in-person, i played the CLP-645 instead before purchasing the P-515. It's a problem that is solvable with good quality bookshelf speakers though.


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Originally Posted by peterws
Nice summing up. I think you'll enjoy the 515 more as time progresses. Don't write off the speakers. Those in the CLP645 aren't much better. I think somebody messed up the crossover from woofer to tweeter, or limited the bass so they could justify their power output..
I've got used to playing mine with or without headphones.
Have fun!

I did actually try the CLP645 in-person instead of the P-515 before purchase. However that was in a piano showroom so it's a little hard be definitive about the sound quality but if memory serves me right, it sounded very nice.

I'm definitely enjoying the P-515 but thought i would give my honest impression for those looking to make the same upgrade. I honestly bought it for silent play so was planning on using it most of the time through headphones anyway.


Currently: Yamaha P-515 | Kawai K300
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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Nice comparison!

Also to connect wirelessly to the smart pianist app you need ee a WiFi dongle (UD-WL01) to make it work. The built-in Bluetooth is only to stream audio to the p-515.

The smart pianist app has some more features then to just control the piano so that’s why it’s necessary to have the dongle.

Hmm, didn't realize that and I've been through the manual a few times. I thought the P-515 supported bluetooth midi. Shouldn't it be able to connect to the app through bluetooth midi?


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Originally Posted by pawelsz
But the piano samples are far superior in P-515, you can always add some monitors to P-515 in the future, but you won't upgrade the samples in DGX-660.

Thanks for sharing your impressions!

I completely agree. The P-515 has superior piano samples. Even more so than the piano samples themselves, the fact that the CFX sounds so different from the Bosendorfer is like having two completely different but awesome pianos in one package.


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
If you find the bass lacking in the P515, you could add this subwoofer :
https://www.thomann.de/be/yamaha_ks_sw100.htm

In this video, they even seem to recommend it when you buy a P515...
https://youtu.be/zXym8-Cv8QM?t=301

I don't think it's the bass, I think it's the midrange. If i do end up getting speakers, it will most likely end up being a nice set of powered bookshelves.


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You definitely wouldn't buy an 8 inch woofer for 145 euro, you can find 10inch woofers for less than that. even 12 inch for 150.

With woofers, size is everything, because they all have severe distortion anyway, so you just want the maximum volume of air moved.

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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Nice comparison!

Also to connect wirelessly to the smart pianist app you need ee a WiFi dongle (UD-WL01) to make it work. The built-in Bluetooth is only to stream audio to the p-515.

The smart pianist app has some more features then to just control the piano so that’s why it’s necessary to have the dongle.

Hmm, didn't realize that and I've been through the manual a few times. I thought the P-515 supported bluetooth midi. Shouldn't it be able to connect to the app through bluetooth midi?

It doesn’t have Bluetooth midi unfortunately so I you want that you need a MD-BT01 adaptor as well. But that won’t work with the smart pianist app since it does more stuff than just control the app.

I had the WiFi-adaptor for a couple of days but returned it after I realised I wasn’t going to use the smart pianist app anyway. Most of the controls is very easy to access on the P-515 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Boboulus
It doesn’t have Bluetooth midi unfortunately so I you want that you need a MD-BT01 adaptor as well. But that won’t work with the smart pianist app since it does more stuff than just control the app.

I had the WiFi-adaptor for a couple of days but returned it after I realised I wasn’t going to use the smart pianist app anyway. Most of the controls is very easy to access on the P-515 anyway.

That's good to know, thanks. I'll just stick to the cable then.


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Originally Posted by joemama42O
I agree - I had my eye on the DGX-660 until I played the CP-88 (same action as the P515).
just a quick correction, the CP88 does NOT have the same action as the P-515. The P-515 has a slightly better action - the difference being that the P-515 action has escapement.

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