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I want to be fully immersed of the of the various tones of digital pianos, and I figured that an efficient way is through headphones. So I was wondering if noise cancelling headphones are an good way to go for a digital piano, such as the Kawai ES110, and what recommendations for the best pair? Bluetooth or wired are both welcome.

Currently I was looking at the Bose QuietComfort 35 II Wireless, Noise-Cancelling Bluetooth Headphones. They offer a 1/8" Audio Cable for wired connection. I already have an adapter for 1/4''.

If noise cancelling headphones are not a way to go for a digital piano, what wired headphones would you recommend instead


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Two things:
1. What noise needs to be cancelled? If there isn't any, don't get noise cancelling phones.
2. Whatever you buy, don't get wireless. They exhibit latency that makes them useless when performing.

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Noise cancelling headphones = blech. I can't stand them... weird phasey artifacts in there .... drives me nuts.

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I should add to my list above:
3. Don't buy Bose. Buy real headphones instead.
AKG, AudioTechnica, Beyerdynamic, Focal, Grado, Sennheiser, Sony.
There are so many good brands available. Why waste time on Bose garbage?

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I use a pair of Sony WH1000XM3 noise cancelling headphones with my digital. I use it only because it’s the best set of headphones I own. I wouldn’t recommend it generally because the noise cancelling function can actually be quite uncomfortable on the ears after a while. My eardrums actually feel “tired”. The only time I would recommend it is when there’s a lot of noise you want to cancel out, such as on an airplane or when commuting (train, subway, traffic noise), or in an open and noisy workplace where you need to concentrate. It works great for those situations but I would think a pair of good quality headphones without the noise cancelling feature would work best for the digital piano, assuming your house is not super noisy with kids screaming and the tv going full blast (as an example).

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To assist in your desire to be isolated from your environment and immersed in the piano sound - in other words if that's a high priority - you'll best be served by purchasing closed-back headphones. Many of the "best" 'phones are open back - hey, they sound more spacious and "open" - but there are very good closed-back headphones from most of those brands TripleMac (see, it's catching on) listed.

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Originally Posted by pwl
To assist in your desire to be isolated from your environment and immersed in the piano sound - in other words if that's a high priority - you'll best be served by purchasing closed-back headphones. Many of the "best" 'phones are open back - hey, they sound more spacious and "open" - but there are very good closed-back headphones from most of those brands TripleMac (see, it's catching on) listed.

+1. Or get a pair of "in-ear monitors" (= high-quality earbuds).

I use either closed-back headphones (Senn HD280) or earbuds (Shure SE215) if there's any noise around. (Like right now, with the vacuum cleaner running right outside my door.)

If you want _absolute silence_, use earbuds, and put industrial "hearing protectors" over them.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=hearing+protectors&ref=nb_sb_noss


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Noise cancelling phones are not good.
If there is noise around, have you considered high quality closed back headphones instead?
What is your budget?


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Originally Posted by Mark122
I want to be fully immersed of the of the various tones of digital pianos, and I figured that an efficient way is through headphones. So I was wondering if noise cancelling headphones are an good way to go for a digital piano, such as the Kawai ES110, and what recommendations for the best pair? Bluetooth or wired are both welcome.

Currently I was looking at the Bose QuietComfort 35 II Wireless, Noise-Cancelling Bluetooth Headphones. They offer a 1/8" Audio Cable for wired connection. I already have an adapter for 1/4''.

If noise cancelling headphones are not a way to go for a digital piano, what wired headphones would you recommend instead


If you're an audiophile, invest in a decent wired headphones. QC35II sounds very different when connected with a wire.

There are plenty of issues with noise-canceling headphones:
1- It is impossible to model the environment.
2- Anything wireless and digital will suffer from the bandwidth concept. Bose QCII has Bluetooth 4.1 @ 24mbps
3- If I remember correctly Bluetooth devices usually compress audio before transmitting them.
4- Delay or latency in transmitting and receiving the signal!

That being said, I haven't seen any noise-canceling headphones that can match my wired headphones even my crappy KOSS headset sounds better than my Bose QC35II.

You can check rtings.com for nice comparisons.

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Originally Posted by Mark122
I want to be fully immersed of the of the various tones of digital pianos, and I figured that an efficient way is through headphones. So I was wondering if noise cancelling headphones are an good way to go for a digital piano, such as the Kawai ES110, and what recommendations for the best pair? Bluetooth or wired are both welcome.

Currently I was looking at the Bose QuietComfort 35 II Wireless, Noise-Cancelling Bluetooth Headphones. They offer a 1/8" Audio Cable for wired connection. I already have an adapter for 1/4''.

If noise cancelling headphones are not a way to go for a digital piano, what wired headphones would you recommend instead

I mainly use the Bose QC 25 (wired). I once bought them because of loud construction noises (the tearing down of buildings next to my house) that were going to take place for many weeks. Not only did they cancel out most of the pneumatic hammering and Bobcats engines, I thought they sounded surprisingly pleasant, fairly balanced and non-fatiguing. Another plus is that I could wear them all day. They are that light and comfortable. I even bought another pair for watching movies and TV series. And when I play my Yamaha, I like that I no longer hear mechanical keyboard noises or hear my son gaming. I don't understand the snobby aversion some people have against them. No, the aren't 'audiophile' or accurate (there's a dip somewhere in the treble and sub bass is weak) but I don't recognize the badmouthing either. There's a shop in my neighborhood that sells used electronics, and each time I come across a pair that is very good condition, I buy it. The last pair I bought costed me 80 Euro. If the internet is to be believed, then many prefer the Sony equivalent, but for me, the Sony bass is overpowering the rest of the spectrum. I don't have that with the QC 25. Nothing sticks out.

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Heated debate on noise cancelling headphones: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2939367/re-noise-cancelling-headphones.html

That should provide entertainment for hours.

(Nah, it's only two pages. That's nothing on this forum.)

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From time to time I use Bose QC35 with my Roland FP-30 (always wired); they make the FP-30 sound its best. At other times I use my trusty old Sennheisers, which are much more comfortable, but don't sound better with the DP. Most of the time I use loudspeakers.

Noise cancelling is wonderful for us introverts living in cities, and for the purpose of playing a digital piano, they enable much easier focus on the music, and much less focus on the eternal, infernal city noise.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I should add to my list above:
3. Don't buy Bose. Buy real headphones instead.
AKG, AudioTechnica, Beyerdynamic, Focal, Grado, Sennheiser, Sony.
There are so many good brands available. Why waste time on Bose garbage?

You may now be wondering: why the downer on BOSE?





I'm wondering if anybody on Pianoworld has ever had good results with Bose headphones on a digital piano?

I think sometimes BOSE is automatically discounted and that's a dangerous attitude if it's not based upon trial experience.


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I have Bose noise-cancelling headphones. I bought them for the noise-cancelling part, with no intention of using them for music, much less piano, but I do sometimes use them with my DP if the neighbors are acting up ... They sound just fine, pleasant even. I honestly don't give a darn if they're audiophile-perfect or not. Too much time worrying about that, not enough time practicing ...


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Why? Because they make my head hurt.
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You may now be wondering: why the downer on BOSE?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Why? Because they make my head hurt.
Originally Posted by Doug M.
You may now be wondering: why the downer on BOSE?

For some people, noise cancelling headphones have side effects. Some people have headaches. Some people, like me, are very sensitive to the noise cancelling function such that my eardrums feel tired after wearing for a long time. I still wear them for noise cancelling though because they do work well for that.

Between the Bose and Sony newest versions, the Bose is more comfortable for the ear as the cup is bigger and roomier. The Sony might make your ear feel more claustrophobic and after long wear, uncomfortable. And I have small ears already. As to sound, I think the internet folks prefer the Sony. It doesn’t sound “bad” or anything with my digital. In fact, it sounds pretty darn good compared with my other headphones but I’d opt for not noise cancelling if I was buying a pair just for my digital piano.


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I use the Bose QC II wired for my DP playing. The sound is smooth and pleasant with no real harshness. The noise cancelling is only arguably behind Sony but it’s a more comfortable pair to wear.


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I have the latest Bose 700 - they're pretty good when it comes to noise cancellation and they even have okay sound. But for playing the piano? No way, they sound too thin and the latency makes them useless anyway. I use old Sennheiser on-ear that exaggerate the bass a bit but that really does it for me: sounds nice and warm.

Go with any "closed" wired headset for playing and make sure the ear cups are large so your ears feel reasonably "free".

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Originally Posted by Keybender
I have the latest Bose 700 - they're pretty good when it comes to noise cancellation and they even have okay sound. But for playing the piano? No way, they sound too thin and the latency makes them useless anyway. .

Are they wireless only? My Bose have a cord for wired use; no latency there.


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