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Bach/rachmaninoff prelude from violin partita in E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8BmjTtonKg

does anyone know the difficulty of this piece?

i think it's pretty difficult. beyond my level.

i have recently worked on beethoven's waldstein mov 1, sonata 4 op.7 mov 1, chopin etude op 10 1. to name a few.

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If you think it is too difficult, perhaps you might look at other transcriptions of the same piece.


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I cannot understand how someone who's played the Beethoven Sonatas listed and the Chopin Etude would find the Bach/Rach piece more difficult or even have to ask about the difficulty level.

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i don't have a teacher atm, and didn't find much info on the internet, just got scared for it beeing a rach transcription.

it has many awkward hand positions, i will give it a try.

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With a bust of Bach looking on benignly:
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I tried out the Rachmaninoff transcription, and it's quite a handful - most certainly harder than the first movement of the Waldstein! It also has some harmonies that to me are excessively ripe for a transcription of Bach. Personally, my favorite transcription of that Prelude is by Bach himself: the Sinfonia from the BWV29 cantata. There it's played by organ and orchestra, with the organ taking most of the original violin's moto perpetuo, and is transposed down a step. (I first heard it on an old Columbia recording from the 1950s called Music of Jubilee, with none other than E. Power Biggs on organ, and have been in love with Bach ever since.)

What I didn't know until today is that Saint-Saens in turn did a transcription for piano of that Sinfonia. Having downloaded that from IMSLP and tried it out, I think it's a bit easier than the Rachmaninoff, though there are still plenty of challenges. Saint-Saens didn't romanticize the harmonies either. After a few run-throughs I'm enjoying it so much I've decided to make a project of learning it. But hats off as well to anyone who undertakes the Rachmaninoff!

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I think some of Rachmaninoff's transcriptions are rather tongue-in-cheek, and this one is one of the more subtile examples. The Kreisler transcriptions are definitely over the top, but this one just has a little twinkle in his eye of his manner of parodying himself, and that makes it great fun. The Saint-Saens is easier, and more straightforward, and learning it will not preclude you from learning the Rachmaninoff.


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Reviving this thread for some feedback.

Originally Posted by Myr
it has many awkward hand positions, i will give it a try.

Myr did you give it a try?

I’m finding it extremely difficult because, as you said, awkward hand positions. Some of the combinations and direction of movement go against what my hands are expecting. In some of the crossed hands sections I’ve had to slowly choreograph the movement of my hands just to get my fingers in and out quickly.

I’ve worked on some challenging stuff such as Schubert/Liszt’s “Gretchen” and many of Beethoven’s sonatas. This piece is right up there in difficulty and I’m finding it slow going. Anyone else? I like it a lot and am not inclined to give up but I could really use some commiseration!


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Originally Posted by gooddog
Reviving this thread for some feedback.

Originally Posted by Myr
it has many awkward hand positions, i will give it a try.

Myr did you give it a try?

I’m finding it extremely difficult because, as you said, awkward hand positions. Some of the combinations and direction of movement go against what my hands are expecting. In some of the crossed hands sections I’ve had to slowly choreograph the movement of my hands just to get my fingers in and out quickly.

I’ve worked on some challenging stuff such as Schubert/Liszt’s “Gretchen” and many of Beethoven’s sonatas. This piece is right up there in difficulty and I’m finding it slow going. Anyone else? I like it a lot and am not inclined to give up but I could really use some commiseration!

I had a look at it yesterday and it's very awkward to play, both because the romanticised harmonies feel so wrong and because it's quite unpianistic in terms of as you say hand positions and crossings. The hands are often interfering with each other rahter than crossing in an orderly way. I don't like it enough to persevere.

There's a few other arrangements in IMSLP, including the Saint-Saens one which is in D, but I was surprised to see no setting by Busoni. I would have thought this was right up his street.

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Originally Posted by chateauferret
I had a look at it yesterday and it's very awkward to play, both because the romanticised harmonies feel so wrong and because it's quite unpianistic in terms of as you say hand positions and crossings. The hands are often interfering with each other rather than crossing in an orderly way. I don't like it enough to persevere.

I like it a lot but I've always been drawn to fingery pieces. I figure working out the awkwardness will improve my technique especially in the crossed hands, one hand on top of the other places. I have to carefully plan how close to the fallboard or key edge each hand moves to keep my hands out of the way of each other. It takes a lot of patience but time is something I have in abundance right now. I'm about half way through it but only the first two pages are up to tempo. It's quite a challenge but I find the music exhilarating.


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I didn't go through it. BUT, i love it, one of the most beatiful pieces i've heard in the last years.

I just read the first page, and found it very akward, but as i love the work, i will maybe give it a try soon.

Great job gooddog, already some pages up to tempo, congrats.

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Originally Posted by Myr
I didn't go through it. BUT, i love it, one of the most beatiful pieces i've heard in the last years.

I just read the first page, and found it very akward, but as i love the work, i will maybe give it a try soon.

Great job gooddog, already some pages up to tempo, congrats.
Close to 4 pages nearly at tempo as of today. Progress is slow but steady. Love this piece.


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It is properly difficult, like all of Rachmaninoff's transcriptions. I found the Tchaikovsky Lullaby much more approachable and it's achingly beautiful.


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