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How best to progress during lockdown?
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Thanks in advance for reading:

45 year old male here who just started playing about 1 and 1/2 months ago having learned everything thus far from the Simply Piano app.

I am happy with how far I have come but I am wondering, is there a more optimal way to progress now that I have the basics down?

Is it worth looking into an online teacher or should I just stick with the app? Maybe there's a book I should be adding to the mix?

I am open to trying anything that will help me optimize/advance this learning process.

Any advice here would be most welcome.

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Re: How best to progress during lockdown?
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My advice would be to find an online teacher (in-person would be better still, but we're in weird times). There's just so much an app can do for you. A step or two up would be a method book, such as Faber's or Alfred's (and others), or an online course. But even there you can go wrong pretty easily and spend a lot of time and energy fixing things. Self-teaching can work (there are several here on PW who play well), but for most of us a coach who can observe and hear our playing in real time, with immediate feedback, is a better way to go.


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I highly recommend Alfred's complete book of Scales, Chords, Arpeggios and Cadences for theory learning.

The first section of this book was of great benefit to me.

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Originally Posted by Stubbie
My advice would be to find an online teacher (in-person would be better still, but we're in weird times). There's just so much an app can do for you. A step or two up would be a method book, such as Faber's or Alfred's (and others), or an online course. But even there you can go wrong pretty easily and spend a lot of time and energy fixing things. Self-teaching can work (there are several here on PW who play well), but for most of us a coach who can observe and hear our playing in real time, with immediate feedback, is a better way to go.

This is exactly what I ma worried about-potentially having to unlearn something.
Are there any reputable online teaching sites?

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Originally Posted by treefrog
I highly recommend Alfred's complete book of Scales, Chords, Arpeggios and Cadences for theory learning.

The first section of this book was of great benefit to me.

Thanks.

Is something I would read while I am learning from an app and/or an online teacher or something I would focus on alone?

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Instead of Simply Piano, have a look at the app called Flowkey. It shows how to hold your fingers, which is a big advantage over Simply Piano.

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I highly recommend Alfred's complete book of Scales, Chords, Arpeggios and Cadences for theory learning.

The first section of this book was of great benefit to me.

Thanks.

Is something I would read while I am learning from an app and/or an online teacher or something I would focus on alone?

This would be supplemental to your current practice regime.

Learning your scales will be rewarding and imo are a great start to any practice session.

Learn a scale per week and within a year, you’ll have all of the major and minor scales under your belt.

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Originally Posted by kwitel
Originally Posted by Stubbie
My advice would be to find an online teacher (in-person would be better still, but we're in weird times). There's just so much an app can do for you. A step or two up would be a method book, such as Faber's or Alfred's (and others), or an online course. But even there you can go wrong pretty easily and spend a lot of time and energy fixing things. Self-teaching can work (there are several here on PW who play well), but for most of us a coach who can observe and hear our playing in real time, with immediate feedback, is a better way to go.

This is exactly what I ma worried about-potentially having to unlearn something.
Are there any reputable online teaching sites?

what type of music do you want to learn?


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Originally Posted by kwitel
Originally Posted by Stubbie
My advice would be to find an online teacher (in-person would be better still, but we're in weird times). There's just so much an app can do for you. A step or two up would be a method book, such as Faber's or Alfred's (and others), or an online course. But even there you can go wrong pretty easily and spend a lot of time and energy fixing things. Self-teaching can work (there are several here on PW who play well), but for most of us a coach who can observe and hear our playing in real time, with immediate feedback, is a better way to go.

This is exactly what I ma worried about-potentially having to unlearn something.
Are there any reputable online teaching sites?

what type of music do you want to learn?

Predominantly classical.

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I highly recommend getting a teacher. It is the best and fastest way to learn. In my area lots of teachers have transitioned to online so I would just look in your area. I take lessons from a school with multiple teachers which can be a good strategy because if you don’t click well with your teacher you should be able to switch.

There are so many benefits to having a teacher, but one that doesn’t get talked about enough is that they will be able to see what music you are capable of playing. In my experience, the music I was capable of playing was more advanced then I was choosing for myself. I would pick pieces that I could pick up in a few days where as my teacher picked pieces that took a few weeks. It was harder work but I started to advance much faster and it was more rewarding.

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It is a personal decision about teaching online or not. I would suggest you explore finding a teacher but I personally would wait until it's face to face. I am not convinced online is a good substitute for face to face. This is just my opinion, I have not tried it. Also every time I go on YouTube I get simply piano adds. I hate simply piano now !!!!

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I’d say online lessons are a 75-80% substitute for in-person lessons. Not a direct substitute for sure, but better than no lesson at all. Also just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
I’d say online lessons are a 75-80% substitute for in-person lessons. Not a direct substitute for sure, but better than no lesson at all. Also just my opinion.
That sounds about right, and online is loads better than an app.


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Originally Posted by kwitel
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Originally Posted by Stubbie
My advice would be to find an online teacher (in-person would be better still, but we're in weird times). There's just so much an app can do for you. A step or two up would be a method book, such as Faber's or Alfred's (and others), or an online course. But even there you can go wrong pretty easily and spend a lot of time and energy fixing things. Self-teaching can work (there are several here on PW who play well), but for most of us a coach who can observe and hear our playing in real time, with immediate feedback, is a better way to go.

This is exactly what I ma worried about-potentially having to unlearn something.
Are there any reputable online teaching sites?

what type of music do you want to learn?

Predominantly classical.

In this case I recommend purchasing Jennifer Linn's complete 'Journey through the classics' book, which is available with CDs to hear the music if you find that helpful. This is a really nicely graded selection of music to play and is well thought out in the progression of technique requirements of the pieces. It will give you a good source of interesting music to play for several year for no great expense and will be a valuable resource paired with either a method book (recommended) or online tutor or real teacher.

I second the above advice to avoid teaching apps and work instead just from the score using method books and definitely a teacher, online or not, if you can afford one. I do think there is benefit in being self reliant and able to self learn from books and scores as that will always help you and also help you find and work with the right teacher for you.

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Originally Posted by kwitel
Are there any reputable online teaching sites?
There is a YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtT_GkgxBCbbLecptrRqSRg

I think it's the best resource for beginners now.

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Originally Posted by J.Kennedy
I highly recommend getting a teacher. It is the best and fastest way to learn. In my area lots of teachers have transitioned to online so I would just look in your area. I take lessons from a school with multiple teachers which can be a good strategy because if you don’t click well with your teacher you should be able to switch.

There are so many benefits to having a teacher, but one that doesn’t get talked about enough is that they will be able to see what music you are capable of playing. In my experience, the music I was capable of playing was more advanced then I was choosing for myself. I would pick pieces that I could pick up in a few days where as my teacher picked pieces that took a few weeks. It was harder work but I started to advance much faster and it was more rewarding.

This all makes a lot of sense. Looking into a online teacher now.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
It is a personal decision about teaching online or not. I would suggest you explore finding a teacher but I personally would wait until it's face to face. I am not convinced online is a good substitute for face to face. This is just my opinion, I have not tried it. Also every time I go on YouTube I get simply piano adds. I hate simply piano now !!!!

Thanks!

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100% recommend an online teacher until the world opens up again.
My teacher went online because of lockdown and I’m so glad to have her support at a distance, even if it isn’t in her studio as before.

Well done on making good progress with Simply Piano so far!


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