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Kawai ES110 vs Casio PX870 vs Roland FP30
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Hi! This is my first post here, actually made an account specifically to ask this question. I want to buy a digital piano. I used to have a Casio PX160, but I sold it because life got in the way. Now life has gotten out of the way and I feel like I can get started on piano again - first on my own, then after summer with a teacher, since they all have summer vacation:).

My budget is around €800,-, including a furniture stand and pedals. Now there's plenty of talk about the Kawai ES110 and Roland FP30 to be found, and I've been kind of scared off of them because apparently the Kawai tends to come with stuck keys and the Roland with a clicking noise due to some grease issue. Of course, I have no idea how often these issues are actually present, but still..
I've also been considering the Casio PX870, but I can't really find much information about that online at all. There's the professional reviews of course, but I haven't found much from actual users. So what would you guys recommend? Or is there another digital piano in the same price range you prefer?
I'd also like to note that there aren't any stores in my area for me to go try them out, so I'm going purely off of user reviews and the like.

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I’ve heard good things about the Casio for the price, but have not tried it. I have bought a FP30 though. No key clicking (which I had on my FP10), but the speakers had a hissing sound I couldn’t stand, so I took it back and vowed to, at the very least buy a Yamaha P515, or a piano above that range.

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Oof, a hissing sound is annoying. Was that the only FP-30 you tried? I'm wondering how much of these defects people mention are just part of the DP's being lower-end and how much are actual defects. I have seen the Yamaha P515, but it is sadly almost twice my budget:(


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I owned a PX-870 for about a year, really liked that piano.


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I tried the Kawai and the Roland, and preferred the latter. The Kawai action was much too light for me, whereas the Roland was just fine. And the Kawai sound, although pretty, was boring, whilst the Roland's sound was complex and interesting (although not exactly pretty).

I live in a city, and I have to crawl underneath the FP-30 and put my ear toward the speaker to hear any hiss. But then the hiss is there. It has no impact on my enjoyment of the instrument whatsoever.

The Casio I have never tried.


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@Learux What did you like about it? And what were the other contenders and the reasons you replaced it?

@QuasiUnaFantasia, that doesn't make the hiss sound too bad. I live in a city too and next to a pretty busy highway, so there's lots of white noise around me anyway. Does the hissing also occur with headphones? And have you had any problems with clicking keys?

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I am absolutely thrilled with my Casio PX-870. I did a TON of research prior to choosing a digital piano, and in the end it was quite obvious to me that the PX-870 indeed offers more "bang-for-the-buck" than anything else in its price range. It looks great, sounds very authentic, and I am really impressed with the action. Honestly, there's really nothing NOT to like about this instrument.

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Piano/Keyboard choice is very personal as our forum users said many times.

I used to have Casio PX-350 (the same action as PX-160, not bad at all). After trying Kawai - ES110, Roland FP-30, and Yamaha P125 I replaced my Casio with Roland FP-30. I'm satisfied. But I use it as a midi controller for VSTIs most of the time. My only personal advice for FP-30 users would be replacing the included stock pedal with Roland DP-10. After that "upgrade" the next upgrade step I will consider is Kawai VPC-1, not less.


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@QuasiUnaFantasia, that doesn't make the hiss sound too bad. I live in a city too and next to a pretty busy highway, so there's lots of white noise around me anyway. Does the hissing also occur with headphones? And have you had any problems with clicking keys?

Absolutely no hissing with headphones, and no key clicking either (but they do "thunk!", as should they, because acoustic piano keys do that as well. This is not perceivable with loudspeakers on, and only to bystanders not wearing the headphones).


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Originally Posted by Vantastic
Hi! This is my first post here, actually made an account specifically to ask this question. I want to buy a digital piano. I used to have a Casio PX160, but I sold it because life got in the way. Now life has gotten out of the way and I feel like I can get started on piano again - first on my own, then after summer with a teacher, since they all have summer vacation:).

My budget is around €800,-, including a furniture stand and pedals. Now there's plenty of talk about the Kawai ES110 and Roland FP30 to be found, and I've been kind of scared off of them because apparently the Kawai tends to come with stuck keys and the Roland with a clicking noise due to some grease issue. Of course, I have no idea how often these issues are actually present, but still..
I've also been considering the Casio PX870, but I can't really find much information about that online at all. There's the professional reviews of course, but I haven't found much from actual users. So what would you guys recommend? Or is there another digital piano in the same price range you prefer?
I'd also like to note that there aren't any stores in my area for me to go try them out, so I'm going purely off of user reviews and the like.

Hi Vantasitc,

Neither, instead you want to come to the UK and spend your 800 euros on my Kawai MP7 to save me from scam artists from Craigslist
You are feeling very very relaxed and sleepy......
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800 Euros I think for new, the Kawai ES110 or FP30 are both good options.

I didn't think it was good enough for my liking, which is why I risked the used market and got an MP7.
Now I've got an MP7SE, and I feel I've made two great purchases and have never regretting not getting the FP30, which is nothing on an MP7 or an ES7 in terms of action.

I think if you get into your learning and start to like it, eventually you'll outgrow the actions on the ES110 and FP30 and will feel like upgrading!
Until that time, either the ES110 or the FP30 are good options!

Kind regards,

Doug.

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@Max_Forte yeah, I understand it's very personal. Which is also why I'm considering the Casio at all, since it's not mentioned a lot around the internet - but I really did like my PX-160, so I'm partial to Casio, and the S1000 and S3000 seem to have some problem with the black keys being less weighted than the white keys so they don't appeal to me much smile Thanks for your reply!

@QuasiUnaFantasia Alright! Thanks for your replies, I appreciate your input. For now I think I'll go with the Casio - although I have a while to decide before I order still, so I might change my mind numerous times yet lol

@Camperbc you have a beautiful set-up there! It's always nice to hear someone be very enthusiastic about their piano. I think I'll go with the Casio - I think the brown one is really pretty. Do you know whether it works with MIDI for apps like Piano Marvel and Flowkey? I've heard good things about especially the first, since I'll be self-teaching a couple of months.

@Doug M. Woah, you almost succeeded in hypnotising me there! Or at least making me very dizzy with your image, hehe. Sadly, I will not have 800 euros if I do go to the UK, since a round-trip is about 100 bucks! Thank you for your input smile I probably will eventually outgrow them, but I do have to make them last a while because I'm still a student. Doing my Master's next year, after which I'll hopefully get a job - so a couple of years at least! But it's nice to know that no matter my decision, they will serve me for the time being.

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The Action of the 870 feels really good.

It sounds good even better with headphones and it is not ugly to look at imo.

For the price it is hard to do better.

For piece of mind register within 30 days on Casio's website and you get 5 year warranty.


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Thabks for the tip! I will definitely do that. Extra warranty is always good smile


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Originally Posted by Vantastic
Oof, a hissing sound is annoying. Was that the only FP-30 you tried? I'm wondering how much of these defects people mention are just part of the DP's being lower-end and how much are actual defects. I have seen the Yamaha P515, but it is sadly almost twice my budget:(

I have not tried other FP30’s, but it is a reported issue. And when I returned it, the employee gave me the impression that people have complained and returned it because of the hiss.

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Originally Posted by Liddough
Originally Posted by Vantastic
Oof, a hissing sound is annoying. Was that the only FP-30 you tried? I'm wondering how much of these defects people mention are just part of the DP's being lower-end and how much are actual defects. I have seen the Yamaha P515, but it is sadly almost twice my budget:(

I have not tried other FP30’s, but it is a reported issue. And when I returned it, the employee gave me the impression that people have complained and returned it because of the hiss.

I've never heard any amplifiers that did not produce some hiss.

The only times where you get a very quiet system is when they implement Muting-Transistors/ Muting-circuit. This doesn't eliminate the hiss, that noise-floor is always there, but it will, based on some designed event, such as very low volume or some other inactivity threshold, it will cut power to the speakers.

It's almost impossible to remove the noise floor completely, as long as you have resistors, which produce friction for electricity, there will be noise and HISS.

My guess as to why they didn't bother is because the fp30 is downfiring, which means it'll absorb most of the hiss anyway, except for people who like to crawl down there and play like they understand electronics. laugh

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