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James New Review of Kawai ES-110 "Stunning"
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Re: James New Review of Kawai ES-110 "Stunning"
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I purchased the Casio PX-S3000 when it debuted in 3/2019. The action was fatiguing (short pivot) and the sound was somehow not right. So I did a side by side test with it and the Kawai ES110, Yamaha P125, and a Roland FP30. I chose the Kawai ES100 because it had a superior action and a more realistic and sublime piano sound. It is superior in terms of emulating an acoustic piano.


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This is not new, but it is a very good digital piano for the price (:


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The review is from April 26, 2020


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I saw this guy review the FP30, and he complains about not having a line out ? The Fp30 has a 1/4" headphone jack and a regular.

This guy clearly doesn't understand how electronics work. There's no fundamental difference between headphone out and line out on these cheap DPs which don't have much preamp or anything special. and he's raging on it like it's a deal breaker. Saying things like, you can't plug this into gig equipment, where really you just need a $5 breakout cable.

A true line out might have somewhat less distortion, but it's barely amplified here.

Given such obvious incompetence, I'd take his opinion with a major grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
I saw this guy review the FP30, and he complains about not having a line out ? The Fp30 has a 1/4" headphone jack and a regular.

This guy clearly doesn't understand how electronics work. There's no fundamental difference between headphone out and line out, especially on these cheap DPs which don't preamp do anything special. and he's raging on it like it's a deal breaker. Saying things like, you can't plug this into gig equipment, where really you just need a $5 breakout cable.
I posted words to this effect on YouTube and JPS deleted them.

His main gripe was actually the lack of 20th century buttons for controlling the settings.
I pointed out that most people now live in the 21st century and control the settings via apps on their phones or tablets... He deleted that comment as well smile

That said - if those things are all that he can find fault with, then the FP-30 is indeed a rock solid instrument.

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Yup, basically, the only thing you need to do to improve recording on most headphone out using line out designed equipment is to just lower the volume.

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
Yup, basically, the only thing you need to do to improve recording on most headphone out using line out designed equipment is to just lower the volume.
Or just connect the piano to a computer and record the sound of a VST ... Analogue recording is so 20th century - this is the 21st century where we should be using digital output and digital recording for digital pianos, no?!

It makes absolutely zero sense to convert digital piano audio into analogue and then covert it back to digital audio smile

Even my 2001 model Sony stereo has optical digital audio input - we've had this technology since the 1990s!

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Originally Posted by Burkie
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It makes absolutely zero sense to convert digital piano audio into analogue and then covert it back to digital audio smile

Well, that scenario kind of happens here and there no matter what. But yea, in the case of these very budget instruments, VSTs are miles ahead vs the onboard.

What a high end vst uses up in CPU power, Sample size, and RAM, nothing onboard a $1000 DP can compare.

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Roland FP30 has triple-sensor action. ES-110 is double-sensor only.


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Originally Posted by jeffcat
I saw this guy review the FP30, and he complains about not having a line out ? The Fp30 has a 1/4" headphone jack and a regular.

This guy clearly doesn't understand how electronics work. There's no fundamental difference between headphone out and line out on these cheap DPs which don't have much preamp or anything special. and he's raging on it like it's a deal breaker. Saying things like, you can't plug this into gig equipment, where really you just need a $5 breakout cable.

A true line out might have somewhat less distortion, but it's barely amplified here.

Given such obvious incompetence, I'd take his opinion with a major grain of salt.

For me (and James) it's off course no dealbreaker but mentioned. And he is right only for true live giging (balanced versus unbalanced / Ground lift possibility).

And who ever traveled around a few years (like me) with a small music familie - call them Friends, call them roadies, call them Angels in the dark :-) - can tell: the least you can have on stage is a "Banarorama Convertissimo of 1/4" to water pipe thread type cable Salad as we say in Austria :-) :-).

Aside from the fact that I experienced in my earlier days true UNMAGICAL moments with this small diameter headphone jacks.

You are of course also right that depending of what you intend to do with your stage piano that this matters for the one and gives others shriggles of laughing.

Anyway it is a nice review for me :-).

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Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by jeffcat
I saw this guy review the FP30, and he complains about not having a line out ? The Fp30 has a 1/4" headphone jack and a regular.

This guy clearly doesn't understand how electronics work. There's no fundamental difference between headphone out and line out, especially on these cheap DPs which don't preamp do anything special. and he's raging on it like it's a deal breaker. Saying things like, you can't plug this into gig equipment, where really you just need a $5 breakout cable.
I posted words to this effect on YouTube and JPS deleted them.

His main gripe was actually the lack of 20th century buttons for controlling the settings.
I pointed out that most people now live in the 21st century and control the settings via apps on their phones or tablets... He deleted that comment as well smile

He moderates every comment left on his videos and deletes anything that significantly disagrees with his own conclusions or opinions. He's clearly stated that he does this.

He's obviously on some sort of ego trip and doesn't want opposing points of view visible. Disagreeing with opinions is one thing but his videos on digital pianos invariably contain factual inaccuracies but viewer comments correcting his mistakes are usually deleted too.

Amping the FP30 via the headphone out would take a bit of care with amp/PA gain settings and the FP's own volume level would need to be carefully set but beyond that there is no problem whatsoever using the headphone out for that purpose. He has placed very disproportionate emphasis on this.

Likewise the patch changes etc. Roland's app is perfectly good and anyway, once you are used to an instrument and have accessed the sounds you want on a few occasions you could do that with your eyes closed. It's a ten minute learning curve. It's another non-issue.


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Warning! A subjective post below laugh

Those reviews are his own reviews from his point of view, so are subjective like all reviews. However, they are actually pretty detailed from the pianist perspective, treating every instrument like it was a PIANO which is also valuable. In most reviews the reviewers say only good things about the products they are reviewing - the key actions are only good, very good or excellent, because they are refering their playing experience to the price of a product I think. James is reviewing all the instruments as things simulating a piano, no matter if they cost $500 or $5000. On the other hand he is sometimes skipping some functions like "sequencer" capability in say P-515. He is usually not dealing with specs too much like sample looping, gigabytes of samples or so. Just finger to sound connection and playing experience as if the instrument was a piano replacement.

For the line outs, I think the pair of the unbalanced 6,3 mm jacks as line outs is the minimum for treating an instrument as suitable for performing on stage when it comes to connections. Will the event technical crew always have a splitter cable for someone who has such unusual instrument with headphone output only? I'm not sure. The player has to have own splitter cable, it is not a standard type of connection for professional gigging. Or better two such cables in case if the first failed just before a performance.

For the buttons and external apps for instruments. Maybe I'm also kind of oldshool but I like when I can access more functions just from the instrument panel and don't have to connect any mobile devices, dealing with usb cables hanging from them etc. Look at the top-of the line models like Montage, Forte, Kronos, Fantom, even Kawai MP7/11 - they are full of warious buttons and controllers to have a quick access for certain functions. It's just more convenient. FOR ME smile


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I don't know ... he seems like a nice guy, but he is not meticulous about the details, so he makes many incorrect statements. I remember he really got things messed up in his review of hybrids, and his review of the FP-30 (I own one such) was ... excentric, to put it mildly. Apparently he thinks of these pianos as gigging-only instruments (which is particularly weird, given that he is used to reviewing acoustic grands, which are notorious for travelling poorly).

He's probably nice, and his style is friendly, but ultimately there is, from my perspective, little of value in his videos.


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James is reviewing all the instruments as things simulating a piano, no matter if they cost $500 or $5000.

I agree and thats a good thing for anybody who need cheap and good action alternatives for real piano. James was obviously born with acoustic pianos all around and I think this is the best part in his reviews. Frankly speaking I watch only that part, about action in his reviews for digital pianos. Partially because I use VST all the time, and partially because I dont gigging. I think he is just inexperienced for reviewing DP in full package, so he probably need few more years.

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The guy is not selling anything.. All these negative views...
He even mentioned when the piano was not bought and just loaned by a shop.
Between someone who buys the stuff on its own and one of those "reviewers" who makes a disclaimer where they say they received the unit but those are their opinions (as if someone actually believes that... that is if they still want to get more free stuff)... i'd choose him.
When you pay for the things yourself you have a lot more freedom to roast the instrument and manufacturer than when you're waiting for freebies.
He's also right about the lack of buttons. Not sure how many of you tried to set the metronome speed on a ES110 where you press on button and with the other hand play twinkle twinkle until you get the speed and tempo... without the manual in front of you..not to mention other functions hidden in there and accessible only though combinations like that one.

P.S this is subjective. If I was into pop and other things... I'd go listen to Tony from Bonners. For classical, I preffer James.


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Originally Posted by jeffcat
I saw this guy review the FP30, and he complains about not having a line out ? The Fp30 has a 1/4" headphone jack and a regular.

This guy clearly doesn't understand how electronics work. There's no fundamental difference between headphone out and line out on these cheap DPs which don't have much preamp or anything special. and he's raging on it like it's a deal breaker. Saying things like, you can't plug this into gig equipment, where really you just need a $5 breakout cable.

A true line out might have somewhat less distortion, but it's barely amplified here.

Given such obvious incompetence, I'd take his opinion with a major grain of salt.

Can you circle the line out in this picture for me?

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Roland FP30 has triple-sensor action. ES-110 is double-sensor only.

Having 3 sensors is not going to candidate FP30 to be a better instrument. Yamaha's GHS in P-125 is also two sensors and I'll buy Kawai or Yamaha over FP-30 anytime even if Roland puts the 4th sensor in FP-30.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Roland FP30 has triple-sensor action. ES-110 is double-sensor only.

Having 3 sensors is not going to candidate FP30 to be a better instrument. Yamaha's GHS in P-125 is also two sensors and I'll buy Kawai or Yamaha over FP-30 anytime even if Roland puts the 4th sensor in FP-30.
I'm just saying it for whoever is unaware of the fact. Which one is the better instrument... that's a matter of personal taste. I like the keyboard of the FP-30 the most, and the sound of P-125 the most, with the Kawai being a good all-rounder. If for some reason I had to choose one of them for myself, I'd get the FP30 and will use it with Garritan CFX.

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