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Re: Advice for digital piano
camperbc #2979060 05/14/20 02:07 PM
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... I discard casio because their samples are so loopy.
"their samples are so loopy"? Really? I'm afraid that you've been misinformed. Simply not true.
I've heard them and that's how they sound

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Originally Posted by camperbc
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... I discard casio because their samples are so loopy.
"their samples are so loopy"? Really? I'm afraid that you've been misinformed. Simply not true.
their samples actually sound alright. not a big fan of the key action though


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Here are a few lingering notes on a recent Casio. The sustains don't seem to sound awful:


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Sounds better than my Roland LX-7.


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... I discard casio because their samples are so loopy.
"their samples are so loopy"? Really? I'm afraid that you've been misinformed. Simply not true.
I've heard them and that's how they sound

What you call "loopy", many others call a beautiful sound. Just curious if you've had your hearing tested lately?

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By loopy i mean that the sampling is short, so to prolong the decay, they add at the end a portion of the sample, that goes on a loop repeating itself and creating a very uncomfortable sound. Some months ago i saw a video of a casio piano and i remember the loop was to evident. I don't remember though the exact model.

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We’re all in a perpetual loop, Ubu. Infinity is a myth.

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Many digital pianos use loops as said.

Some use very short ones and others a bit longer ones as said.

Casio doesn't claim to not have loops.

Someone used to real pianos may well find the decay sound of a digital piano odd. There's no need to be impolite and suggest a hearing test. 😊

Is this again a case of "Casio bashing"? Any critique against a Casio is "Casio bashing" and certain people immediately become defensive?

Other brands suffer from looping too. It's not Casio specific by any means.

The Polish Casio site has some more sound samples. They are not titled, but if I counted correctly the proper acoustic piano samples start at #26.

https://casiomusic.pl/produkt/pianina-cyfrowe/privia/casio-px-s3000/

I don't hear a "ping-pong loop" like in my old Privia which had the old AiF sound chip. Now we have the AiR and actually some sort of a "second generation" of it although Casio didn't change the name. Maybe they changed to a short looped sample, so it's more static.

Roland's marketing propaganda about the decay part of the sound: https://youtu.be/3KtUW78VJa0?t=130

That's what I heard on the Casio AiF.

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Ubu #2979319 05/15/20 07:25 AM
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You claim: “....Now we have (the) AIR”; but hasn’t ‘air’ been around for like....ever?
So this implied notion that ‘air’ is somehow a new thing invented by Casio is flawed.

I’m not bashing Casio; I’m simply stating the facts as they are!

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We’re all in a perpetual loop, Ubu. Infinity is a myth.
He asked me. I answer.

I don't know where are you. Im just searching for a good reliable simple cheap digital piano. Until now you have participated twice in this thread, and the value of your contributions amounts to zero.

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The band Air was founded in 1995 or so.

The gas we call air is a mixture of several gases.

Hydrogen has been around for 13.7 billion years or so. The others were formed in the fusion reactions in stars or something like that so they are a bit newer but still billions of years old.

Casio's AiR was introduced when the x50 series models came out so ten years ago maybe.

Happy? 😁

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Yes! blush

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One way to avoid "looping" is to use a modelled sound generator, instead of a sampled sound generator.

The Roland FP-90 is out of your price range, but I'm pretty sure that it _won't_ use looping (it's "fully modelled"), and I doubt that it will sound "loopy".

I don't know of any cheaper all-in-one DP with modelled sound. I replaced my Casio's sound generator with Pianoteq, running on a computer I already had. But the cost of a loudspeaker that did justice to the sound, raised the cost considerably.

("Modelled vs sampled" is a religious argument, and I won't defend my choice.)


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