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Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Foolishly I've just spent £300 for VSL Vienna Imperial with the USB key, postage and exchange rate fee.

Lets see how I get on with it when I get delivery of the key.

So far i just bought the key just in case i really want this... it was not that expensive and i thought i might need it later anyway. But the D-274 is very tempting.... i still have some time to think smile

Anyone here knows if VSL usually have Black Friday sales?

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Anyone here knows if VSL usually have Black Friday sales?

They have a different offer every month.

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minstrelman #2977304 05/10/20 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by minstrelman
ok.
I have the Full versions of the Bosendorfer Upright and the Bluthner 1895.

would you please tell me any thoughts you have about the Concert D-274?

The D is fantastic. It appears to be their most demanding in terms of streaming.

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KevinM #2977306 05/10/20 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Foolishly I've just spent £300 for VSL Vienna Imperial with the USB key, postage and exchange rate fee.

Lets see how I get on with it when I get delivery of the key.

Vienna Imperial is my first love. 💕 ❤️ 💝 We've been together seven years.

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johnstaf #2977349 05/10/20 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Foolishly I've just spent £300 for VSL Vienna Imperial with the USB key, postage and exchange rate fee.

Lets see how I get on with it when I get delivery of the key.

Vienna Imperial is my first love. 💕 ❤️ 💝 We've been together seven years.
Really? And in that time, you haven't thought to have dalliances with the VSL Synchron Pianos? I don't have VSL Vienna Imperial myself. How would you say it compares with the 3 Synchron grand pianos? (I really have a soft spot for the Bosendorfer Imperial and have been hoping VSL would add it to their VSL Synchron lineup, and even mentioned this to, Paul above. But maybe I just have to reconcile myself to that never happening because they already have a non-Synchron VSL Vienna Imperial?)


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Paul Kopf #2977351 05/10/20 08:36 AM
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Okay, now my interest has been pushed over the edge: what is the difference between "synchron" and "non-synchron" VSL pianos?


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Originally Posted by johnstaf
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ok.
I have the Full versions of the Bosendorfer Upright and the Bluthner 1895.

would you please tell me any thoughts you have about the Concert D-274?

The D is fantastic. It appears to be their most demanding in terms of streaming.

What do you mean by streaming here. Is that generating the sound in real time with no pops/crackles and low latency, so you need hardware that is good enough to do that?

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by KevinM
Foolishly I've just spent £300 for VSL Vienna Imperial with the USB key, postage and exchange rate fee.

Lets see how I get on with it when I get delivery of the key.

Vienna Imperial is my first love. 💕 ❤️ 💝 We've been together seven years.

Are you saying Vienna Imperial has high levels of fidelity?

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
The D is fantastic. It appears to be their most demanding in terms of streaming.

thank you very much. smile

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I should look into buying a key first. My hope is to get the Concert Steinway standard library, as I find the tone very much to my liking, and it's the kind of sound I hear often, mostly at my school back in China. But this would make a wonderful piano to both practice and perform!!!

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Paul Kopf #2977407 05/10/20 10:59 AM
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IMO:
Vienna Imperial has fantastic sound. I have zero regrets after buying it this April. The main issue for classical is that it does not support half-pedaling.
The other differences with Synchron series:
- Synchron UI is newer, can be resized, etc;
- Synchron series have more detailed samples, full pedaling support. And in general - sampling and scripting techniques improved over years;
- Synchron samples have ambience/reverb of Synchron Stage embedded while VI is dry (but you can still reduce the reverb to make Synchron dry as well if you want to apply another acoustics). The idea behind Synchron Series was that all instruments in orchestra are recorded in corect locations with same real stage acoustics which allows producer to easily mix them together to create complex, say, symphonic works. Not relevant for us piano players though.

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VladK #2977431 05/10/20 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by VladK
The main issue for classical is that it does not support half-pedaling.
Thanks! OK, that just zapped my budding G.A.S. for the VSL Vienna Imperial, right there. My piano teacher has been working with me on using half-pedalling in one of my pieces I am working on now, so I don't really think I should get a VST that doesn't support half-pedalling.


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I purchased the VSL Bluthner 1895. It is a lovely sound, and a nice contrast from the Garritan CFX and the American Concert D I already own. Unfortunately, it appears to be a lot more demanding of my computer (2015 Macbook Pro dual-core i5) and I can't play it with any less of a buffer than 512 without getting pops and cracks. I'm able to run the CFX at 64 with no such issues. So, unfortunately going to have to return the Bluthner, as this level of latency is unacceptable for me.

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Originally Posted by VladK
IMO:
Vienna Imperial has fantastic sound. I have zero regrets after buying it this April. The main issue for classical is that it does not support half-pedaling.
The other differences with Synchron series:
- Synchron UI is newer, can be resized, etc;
- Synchron series have more detailed samples, full pedaling support. And in general - sampling and scripting techniques improved over years;
- Synchron samples have ambience/reverb of Synchron Stage embedded while VI is dry (but you can still reduce the reverb to make Synchron dry as well if you want to apply another acoustics). The idea behind Synchron Series was that all instruments in orchestra are recorded in corect locations with same real stage acoustics which allows producer to easily mix them together to create complex, say, symphonic works. Not relevant for us piano players though.

Thank you for the clarification! Very enlightening.


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Originally Posted by GMPiano
I purchased the VSL Bluthner 1895. It is a lovely sound, and a nice contrast from the Garritan CFX and the American Concert D I already own. Unfortunately, it appears to be a lot more demanding of my computer (2015 Macbook Pro dual-core i5) and I can't play it with any less of a buffer than 512 without getting pops and cracks. I'm able to run the CFX at 64 with no such issues. So, unfortunately going to have to return the Bluthner, as this level of latency is unacceptable for me.

How much ram do you have?

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Originally Posted by GMPiano
I purchased the VSL Bluthner 1895. It is a lovely sound, and a nice contrast from the Garritan CFX and the American Concert D I already own. Unfortunately, it appears to be a lot more demanding of my computer (2015 Macbook Pro dual-core i5) and I can't play it with any less of a buffer than 512 without getting pops and cracks. I'm able to run the CFX at 64 with no such issues. So, unfortunately going to have to return the Bluthner, as this level of latency is unacceptable for me.

How much ram do you have?

I am also interested for my own selfish reasons. But not just RAM, but whether the drive is an SSD and how big, and the clock speed of the i5.

I have a 2012 model MBP, quad core i7 at 2.2 GHz. and a 500Gb SSD drive. I am waiting on my first VSL license with the USB key. I might end up having to cancel my purchase if I have the same issue.

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Tyrone Slothrop #2977501 05/10/20 01:27 PM
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Really? And in that time, you haven't thought to have dalliances with the VSL Synchron Pianos? I don't have VSL Vienna Imperial myself. How would you say it compares with the 3 Synchron grand pianos? (I really have a soft spot for the Bosendorfer Imperial and have been hoping VSL would add it to their VSL Synchron lineup, and even mentioned this to, Paul above. But maybe I just have to reconcile myself to that never happening because they already have a non-Synchron VSL Vienna Imperial?)

I have had dalliances with all of the VSL grands. There's just something special for me about the Imperial. Maybe it's because it was my first true love. The Synchron pianos are arguably executed better, but the heart wants what the heart wants.

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Originally Posted by KevinM
I have a 2012 model MBP, quad core i7 at 2.2 GHz. and a 500Gb SSD drive. I am waiting on my first VSL license with the USB key. I might end up having to cancel my purchase if I have the same issue.

You'll have no trouble with Vienna Imperial on your MBP. It can run from an external HDD perfectly well (which reminds me to move it from my SSD). It uses lossless compression to make streaming easier, but it's also very easy on the processor. I run it on a lower spec Samsung laptop from the same year with 6GB RAM since I bought it.

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johnstaf, do you think you'll ever get the Full version of Concert D-274?

or is Standard so good, that you'll just stay with that version?

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by KevinM
I have a 2012 model MBP, quad core i7 at 2.2 GHz. and a 500Gb SSD drive. I am waiting on my first VSL license with the USB key. I might end up having to cancel my purchase if I have the same issue.

You'll have no trouble with Vienna Imperial on your MBP. It can run from an external HDD perfectly well (which reminds me to move it from my SSD). It uses lossless compression to make streaming easier, but it's also very easy on the processor. I run it on a lower spec Samsung laptop from the same year with 6GB RAM since I bought it.

Thanks John. Do you have an idea how much the standard version of Concert D-274 demands over Vienna Imperial?

I am sorely temped by the Concert D.

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