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Difference between VSL Bosendorfer and Modern U?
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I'm thinking about which to buy between vsl visenderfer or modern u.

Does anyone know the difference between VSL Bosenderfer and Modern U or their pros and cons?

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angmyu #2976833 05/09/20 03:40 AM
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David B has both libraries and seems to prefer Modern U because it's clear and direct (no room ambience). Another poster likes the Bosendorfer Upright more because of its mellow tone. Here's a post where both libraries are mentioned:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2963734/1.html

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angmyu #2976848 05/09/20 04:50 AM
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I just purchased Modern U and I have the Bosendorfer Upright also. You probably won't go far wrong with either of these two.

I would say Modern U provides a better sound out of the box. The library is only 5GB but VI Labs really nailed the scripting and the software itself. It has better implementation of sympathetic resonance and release sampling. VSL is also good at release sampling but I feel the Modern U has a slight edge over it. I only played Modern U for less than one hour so this might change in the future. It feels so natural that I don't feel like I'm playing a digital piano when I play the Modern U, instead I feel like I'm playing a brand new Yamaha U3 acoustic upright piano, just like the upright pianos most people have in their houses, but it is a well regulated and voiced one and it's always in tune.

For the VSL Bosendorfer Upright, I need to spend a lot of time tweaking the mic positions and velocity curve in order to get the sound that I'm looking for. I don't have the natural feeling of playing an acoustic piano when I play the default setting of VSL Bosendorfer Upright. However, the sample size and the mic positions make this VST very flexible and you can eventually tweak it to your liking. At least that is my feeling. Personally I think it is too mellow out of the box. I adjusted the velocity curve to get that clear attack of each note.

I must say that both pianos have a fairly limited dynamic range compared to other reputable VSTs sampled from concert grands (e.g. VSL Steinway, VSL CFX, Garritan CFX). I don't have as much expression as I have compared to, say other VSL pianos. But it can be suitable for certain style of music. The Bosendorfer Upright has wider dynamic range than Modern U if the velocity curve is tweaked right, simply because Bosendorfer 130 is a much better piano compared to Yamaha U3 in the acoustic world. The sound of Bosendorfer Upright is more woody and sweat if that makes sense. However, even if that Yamaha U3 upright is a mediocre instrument, I still feel enjoyable playing it just like I will enjoy playing on a brand new Yamaha U3. It's not too far away and I think they did something right, especially the release sampling.

Both these two upright VSTs can achieve a soft and mellow sound, and I can play pp fairly easily just like other VSTs. The weak part is the base and the ff sound. Both these two uprights lack that power and clarify from a big grand piano. Ironically, my scale sounds better on these two upright VSTs since notes do not stick out easily like those bright concert grand VSTs.

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One more thing is that the treble of Bosendorfer Upright is too weak in the default setting. Fortunately VSL provides note by note editing and I adjusted the volume of the treble.

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angmyu #2977207 05/09/20 10:31 PM
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Here is a comparison between VI Labs Modern U and the VSL Bösendorfer 130 upright pianos. I currently prefer the Modern U. It seems to have a more direct, clear, and powerful sound in the samples. The Bösendorfer is warm, mellow, and has a softer sound to it.

This might not be an accurate comparison because I only have the standard Bösendorfer library that lacks some close and room mics. So you can probably get more out of it with the full library. However, I don't think I would have bought the Bösendorfer if I had purchased the Modern U first. I don't feel compelled to get the full Bösendorfer library (at this time) because the Modern U seems to be enough in the upright department.

Here you go.



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Nice playing as always! Is this also an arrangement from the course that you are taking?

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Harpuia #2977227 05/09/20 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Nice playing as always! Is this also an arrangement from the course that you are taking?

Thanks.

That was an arrangement from the course I just finished (52 Week Crash Course). Now I'm in the Praise and Gospel Course and the arrangements are actually more difficult, but they are all Gospel songs so I won't get tired working on them.

BTW, I agree with everything you said in your Bosendorfer/Modern U comparison. I think it's a very accurate assessment. Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Difference between VSL Bosendorfer and Modern U?
David B #2977411 05/10/20 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex C
David B has both libraries and seems to prefer Modern U because it's clear and direct (no room ambience). Another poster likes the Bosendorfer Upright more because of its mellow tone. Here's a post where both libraries are mentioned:

I read all the posts you linked me and it was very helpful. Thank you smile

Originally Posted by Harpuia
I just purchased Modern U and I have the Bosendorfer Upright also. You probably won't go far wrong with either of these two.

Thank you for your detailed explanation! I have VSL CFX and D-274 and planned to upgrade to full version of Bundle, but I changed my mind to purchase only the Bosendorfer Standard separately to purchase Modern U later. When I listen to the official demo or watch YouTube videos, Modern U seemed to be an instrument that impresses the piano player a little more as you said. However, considering that VSL Bosendorfer is a little ahead of the dynamic range and that Bosendorfer 130 is a better piano than Yamaha U3, having a VSL with Modern U would not be a bad choice! My wallet is the only problem. smile

Originally Posted by David B
Here is a comparison between VI Labs Modern U and the VSL Bösendorfer 130 upright pianos. I currently prefer the Modern U. It seems to have a more direct, clear, and powerful sound in the samples. The Bösendorfer is warm, mellow, and has a softer sound to it.
Here you go.

God Bless,
David

Including this video, thanks to the demos you played on your YouTube channel. They helped me a lot in my choice. I'll buy the standard of VSL Bosendorfer first, and buy Modern U when there is a discount event of it later. Thank you, David.

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Listening to the official demos, the Modern U can sound bright and clear, but it can also sound more intimate and warm or 'cinematic'. To be honest, I'm more drawn to the latter, as heard in the demos of Justin Kauflin or Ruslan Sirota. The first demo track 'Dreams Change' is probably the reason why I eventually will buy this library. I wish there was a 'try before buy' option.

https://www.vilabsaudio.com/modernu

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