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Re: War and Peace - Tolstoy
Stremity #2945475 02/11/20 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Stremity
I read that at that time, writers were paid for the volume, so the book turned out to be so long.

Welcome to PW, Stremity.

Well, Tolstoy was paid handsomely per 'printer page' so he certainly wasn't incentivized to have a short novel ๐Ÿ˜‚. That said, he was paid the same way for Anna Karenina and that one is considerably shorter.


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Well, I have read it all. Forgive the lack of commentary on Pierre/Natasha, Nikolai/Marya, and their kith and kin and their relationships to each other smile

I suppose one could read the epilogues and the appendix and go back and look for the ways that Tolstoy illustrated each concept in telling the stories of the wars and battles, both military and civilian laugh , from 1805 to 1812 - but I don't have the energy or the time. I didn't even have the energy to really follow all the ins and outs of the last of the discourse on history/philosophy/religion/science, tho at some other time that might also be fascinating.

I'm really glad I read it, and I appreciate you folks starting this thread and all the commentary. I learned a lot, found some food for thought, agreed with some things, disagreed with some (or, at least if I understood it the way it was meant I disagreed laugh ), but on the whole I thought Tolstoy had a deep understanding of humans, and his sense of all the small things that happen previously making the next things predetermined, and that there is no beginning and no end to it, and how people act on a cusp between freedom and necessity - or seemingly so - had a lot of resonance for me.

But now I'm going to finish a couple of other books I've been reading on and off, and continue to read mysteries for the fun of it, and pay attention to the books for a couple of book clubs, and play piano, and walk, and otherwise enjoy my freedom - uh, er - from War and Peace!


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And I am going to *astound* the library by returning their book! laugh


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Originally Posted by jotur
Well, I have read it all. Forgive the lack of commentary on Pierre/Natasha, Nikolai/Marya, and their kith and kin and their relationships to each other smile

I suppose one could read the epilogues and the appendix and go back and look for the ways that Tolstoy illustrated each concept in telling the stories of the wars and battles, both military and civilian laugh , from 1805 to 1812 - but I don't have the energy or the time. I didn't even have the energy to really follow all the ins and outs of the last of the discourse on history/philosophy/religion/science, tho at some other time that might also be fascinating.

I'm really glad I read it, and I appreciate you folks starting this thread and all the commentary. I learned a lot, found some food for thought, agreed with some things, disagreed with some (or, at least if I understood it the way it was meant I disagreed laugh ), but on the whole I thought Tolstoy had a deep understanding of humans, and his sense of all the small things that happen previously making the next things predetermined, and that there is no beginning and no end to it, and how people act on a cusp between freedom and necessity - or seemingly so - had a lot of resonance for me.

But now I'm going to finish a couple of other books I've been reading on and off, and continue to read mysteries for the fun of it, and pay attention to the books for a couple of book clubs, and play piano, and walk, and otherwise enjoy my freedom - uh, er - from War and Peace!

Congrats on finishing this Cathy, and thanks for joining us for this reading! I'm impressed you read the 2nd appendix. I tell myself, someday I will.... but... LOL


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Rereading this thread is a treat! We had such a variety of insights and comments, and often figured out what Tolstoy was aiming at philosophically (so maybe I don't have to go back to the book and look for the illustrations some day - we did it here!) This was a really fun off-topic thread laugh


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Congrats, Cathy, on finishing the book and thanks for your invariably insightful comments. Sorry, I disappeared for a while from both Tolstoy threads--too much going on at work as the semester has picked up. I'll start catching up on the Anna K thread soon.

I know this is late but yes, you were absolutely right in your interpretation of Sonya's letter here. Poor Sonya...


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Did I interpret it right that Sonya only sent the letter setting Nicolai free when she needed again to feel like she was sacrificing, but really thought that Andrei would live and reconcile with Natasha, so that it was impossible for Nicolai to marry Marya? In other words, she thought she was safe from the consequences of setting Nicolai free? Poor Sonya - she could end up like Boris's mother or Pierre's cousins.

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Thanks everyone for participating in this thread. Having a discussion with people of a common interest from anywhere in the world is a truly unique experience, and one that I will not soon forget. I've learned a ton from this book and from your insights as well and really enjoyed this time!

Special thanks, again, to Dumka for donating her professional-level experience to the cause!


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Well said CMB13. (Craig). It was a great experience. As is the Anna K. thread.


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Originally Posted by TomLC
Well said CMB13. (Craig). It was a great experience. As is the Anna K. thread.

Three cheers for dumka1! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Three cheers for all those who read along with us an contributed to this thread! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

It'll be interesting to see if some future W&P readers find this thread and add to it. ๐Ÿค”


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You are all very welcome, my pleasure, really!

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Well, I just finished Catch-22 (last read, I suppose, about the same time I last read W&P) and the parallels with War and Peace were extraordinary, at least to me. It was kind of War and Peace on warp drive.

I laughed so many times in War and Peace, at the society scenes, and the officer scenes, and the enlisted men scenes, and they were much the same scenes as in Catch-22 - Colonel Korn manipulating Colonel Cathcart like officers manipulating Kutukov, General Peckham scheming to get all the air squadrons in Special Sections and to replace General Dreedle, much like the German/Austrian/Russian officers schemed to gain more power/prestige, Colonel Cathcart upping the missions all the time, and making sure the bombs went off in a small area, so maybe he could be in the Saturday Evening Post and the Polish guy that kept making elaborate plans on paper that so obviously had nothing to do with reality of the terrain or the strength of the armies. And on and on. And the comic scenes suddenly turned horrific. The soldiers on leave rioting, looting, raping as they went. And Milo Minderbinder, only profiting, somewhat like the landowner who sold his peasants to buy a horse, and the town council members who all volunteered a percentage of their peasants to go fight. Amazing.


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Originally Posted by TomLC
Well said CMB13. (Craig). It was a great experience. As is the Anna K. thread.

Three cheers for dumka1! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Three cheers for all those who read along with us an contributed to this thread! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

It'll be interesting to see if some future W&P readers find this thread and add to it. ๐Ÿค”


Indeed! I have read along with interest, although didnโ€™t comment. My experience with โ€œWar and Peaceโ€ is a little different, as I have approached it in the past for Russian language learning. I have read it in the past in English, a few decades ago, and watched the Mosfilm movie many times. I had an intention or expectation to read along in Russian, but my reading skills have gotten rusty from disuse (not to mention eye strain)! โ€” so I dropped out before really getting started.

However, Iโ€™m amazed at Dumkaโ€™s care and attention to this thread, in addition to her regular teaching duties. Thanks to everyone who read and commented, it has been most interesting to read the different viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by TomLC
Well said CMB13. (Craig). It was a great experience. As is the Anna K. thread.
Three cheers for dumka1! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Three cheers for all those who read along with us an contributed to this thread! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

It'll be interesting to see if some future W&P readers find this thread and add to it. ๐Ÿค”

Indeed! I have read along with interest, although didnโ€™t comment. My experience with โ€œWar and Peaceโ€ is a little different, as I have approached it in the past for Russian language learning. I have read it in the past in English, a few decades ago, and watched the Mosfilm movie many times. I had an intention or expectation to read along in Russian, but my reading skills have gotten rusty from disuse (not to mention eye strain)! โ€” so I dropped out before really getting started.

However, Iโ€™m amazed at Dumkaโ€™s care and attention to this thread, in addition to her regular teaching duties. Thanks to everyone who read and commented, it has been most interesting to read the different viewpoints.
ะกะฟะฐัะธะฑะพ! I was inspired by the people here, and I love this novel so much, was glad to participate. I feel a little guilty abandoning the Anna Karenina thread (haven't been on the forum at all for over a month, with all the craziness going on), but it seems like that thread didn't have as much participation, although it was also quite lively early on. (I don't mean this as criticism, I'm actually glad I didn't miss much).

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