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Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
Paul Kopf #2975561 05/06/20 03:37 AM
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I own three pianos from the bundle. Waiting for you to include the silent key and adjacent notes sympathetic resonance...Was disappointed when I discovered those features are missing.

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Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
20/20 Vision #2975569 05/06/20 03:57 AM
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OK, to make it clear: you do not need ViennaKey to download libraries using Vienna Download Manager.
Does this mean I can download the program first but to use it I will need to have the license key?

Unless you have a license on the USB key, it won't work.

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Paul Kopf #2975573 05/06/20 03:58 AM
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Through my crystal ball, I see a Bösendorfer 280 VC in VSL's future.

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Can someone clarify if the Vienna License is a USB device that they send to you before you are able to download the software? I've also seen these for sale elsewhere but I find the explanation on the website confusing as to whether we must wait to receive the usb first before downloading.

No, for licensing you need to buy your own ViennaKey (USB device) yourself, and install eLicenser Control Center: http://www.elicenser.net/en/
Steinberg USB key works as well; no need to buy ViennaKey if you have Steinberg USB key.

https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/faqs/licenses

Thank you. Is it best to purchase the Vienna key from VSL directly? In that case, how long before the item ships internationally to the US?

No, you can buy it anywhere (I bought mine from B&H in the US). After you receive it, you will have to register it with VSL (in your account on their web site). I also registered my key with my account at Steinberg web site.

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Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Through my crystal ball, I see a Bösendorfer 280 VC in VSL's future.
I'd love it.

Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
Paul Kopf #2975719 05/06/20 11:32 AM
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If VSL adds a velocity curve editor to their software, I hope they follow VI Lab's example on how to do it the right way. Here is their updated version in the Modern U.

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It shows velocity in/out (that's imperative).
It has a knob to adjust the curve evenly.
I like their new gain bend as well (although not imperative).

I've found that I can get the most out of the Modern U by utilizing these tools. VSL needs to catchup with everyone else in this area.

God bless,
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Re: Vienna Synchron Pianos - SALE
Paul Kopf #2975747 05/06/20 12:38 PM
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I wasn’t going to get tempted by this.... but just order the Steinberg elicenser so I’ll have it at home if I just got to tempted.
I do want a Steinway piano as an alternative to my Garritan CXF but not sure this is the best one... ah well I have some weeks to think about it. smile

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David B,

would you please tell me your thoughts about the Concert D-274?

what do you like about it?
I already have the Full versions of the Bosendorfer Upright and the Bluthner 1895.

and I just bought Production Voices Concert Grand LE. and like it very much.

thank you for any thoughts,
Charlie

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Originally Posted by minstrelman
David B,

would you please tell me your thoughts about the Concert D-274?

what do you like about it?
I already have the Full versions of the Bosendorfer Upright and the Bluthner 1895.

and I just bought Production Voices Concert Grand LE. and like it very much.

thank you for any thoughts,
Charlie

Hi Charlie,

What I like the most about the VSL Concert D is that it has a distinctive attack on each note while still having a very good dynamic range for pp/ff playing. It has a massive amount of power if you you feel the need for it.

The VSL CFX also has a great dynamic range and actually sounds a bit better playing ppp/pp, but it lacks the distinctive attack on each note that the Steinway D has.

Hope this helps.

God Bless,
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David B,

would you please tell me your thoughts about the Concert D-274?

what do you like about it?
I already have the Full versions of the Bosendorfer Upright and the Bluthner 1895.

and I just bought Production Voices Concert Grand LE. and like it very much.

thank you for any thoughts,
Charlie

Hi Charlie,

What I like the most about the VSL Concert D is that it has a distinctive attack on each note while still having a very good dynamic range for pp/ff playing. It has a massive amount of power if you you feel the need for it.

The VSL CFX also has a great dynamic range and actually sounds a bit better playing ppp/pp, but it lacks the distinctive attack on each note that the Steinway D has.

Hope this helps.

God Bless,
David

Very good summary David. This is exactly what I'm thinking about for the Synchron Pianos. Note that their Steinway and Yamaha are more like a modern concert grand piano sound, while their Bluthner and Bosendorfer have very different, intimate sound. Personally I feel the dynamic range of the Bosendorfer Upright a bit limited. Wondering how is the dynamic range of the Modern U? After a few months, is the Modern U still your favorite?

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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Very good summary David. This is exactly what I'm thinking about for the Synchron Pianos. Note that their Steinway and Yamaha are more like a modern concert grand piano sound, while their Bluthner and Bosendorfer have very different, intimate sound. Personally I feel the dynamic range of the Bosendorfer Upright a bit limited. Wondering how is the dynamic range of the Modern U? After a few months, is the Modern U still your favorite?

Currently, I find myself practicing more with the Modern U, but it really depends on what song I want to play when considering a favorite sound. Right now I'm working on an arrangement of Amazing Grace (Praise and Gospel Course with Duane Shinn) and the Modern U is perfect because of the style Duane has us playing it in (a lot of triplets and blues riffs).

Although, I have a intermediate rendition/score of that same song from composer Greg Howlett, and his slow and contemplative arrangement (IMO) lends itself more the the VSL Concert D. So it really depends on what you are trying to communicate with a particular song and what sound touches your emotions more when playing it.

The Modern U has surprisingly good power for an upright, but it can never compare to a 9' concert grand piano. If I had to choose just two VST's they would be the Modern U and the VSL Concert D.

I think a large spectrum can be covered with those two pianos.

God Bless,
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Yes!!!

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I don't think anyone has ever released a "Mason & Hamlin" piano VI either.

They have a long history in the Americas, and still make some beautiful sounding pianos in New England. These are expensive, well liked, and sound great.

I can't predict demand for the "VSL Synchron Mason & Hamlin Grand". But I imagine a lot of North American piano players would check this out and the "internet buzz" might create some overflow global demand.

I would love a Mason and Hamlin. Those I have heard in recordings have a lovely rich warm sound.

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Very good summary David. This is exactly what I'm thinking about for the Synchron Pianos. Note that their Steinway and Yamaha are more like a modern concert grand piano sound, while their Bluthner and Bosendorfer have very different, intimate sound. Personally I feel the dynamic range of the Bosendorfer Upright a bit limited. Wondering how is the dynamic range of the Modern U? After a few months, is the Modern U still your favorite?

Currently, I find myself practicing more with the Modern U, but it really depends on what song I want to play when considering a favorite sound. Right now I'm working on an arrangement of Amazing Grace (Praise and Gospel Course with Duane Shinn) and the Modern U is perfect because of the style Duane has us playing it in (a lot of triplets and blues riffs).

Although, I have a intermediate rendition/score of that same song from composer Greg Howlett, and his slow and contemplative arrangement (IMO) lends itself more the the VSL Concert D. So it really depends on what you are trying to communicate with a particular song and what sound touches your emotions more when playing it.

The Modern U has surprisingly good power for an upright, but it can never compare to a 9' concert grand piano. If I had to choose just two VST's they would be the Modern U and the VSL Concert D.

I think a large spectrum can be covered with those two pianos.

God Bless,
David

Thanks for the detailed answer!

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thank you David.
I am very grateful for your excellent reply.

I am trying to decide between getting the Standard and Full versions.

could you possible please tell me if you have any thoughts about that?

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Paul Kopf #2976408 05/07/20 09:42 PM
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Does this vst require a host in order to operate, or can it run on its own?

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it can run on its own.
the program is the Synchron Player. I like it.

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Software/Synchron_Player

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Originally Posted by minstrelman
thank you David.
I am very grateful for your excellent reply.

I am trying to decide between getting the Standard and Full versions.

could you possible please tell me if you have any thoughts about that?

I have the full versions and I had a member here (Karvala) create some presets for me. He is very talented and I always love his presets better than anything I can come up with. He hasn't been here since last year. I hope he's doing well.

I've always opted for the full versions. However, I'm sure Karvala (or another smart/creative person) can make the standard versions sound good also.

God Bless,
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thank you very much David.

PM'ing you.

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minstrelman #2976584 05/08/20 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by minstrelman
it can run on its own.
the program is the Synchron Player. I like it.

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Software/Synchron_Player

Synchron Pianos is a different program.

It requires a host.

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Synchron Pianos is library, not software. 4 libraries to be precise.

You need to install Vienna Download Manager to install any VSL library.

All VSL libraries are run by free standalone VSL players which you would have to install as well:
Vienna Imperial Player for Vienna Imperial
Synchron Player for all Synchron pianos

You can also load these players as VST/AU/AAX plugins to your host.

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