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Re: Best sounding DP
Doug M. #2976302 05/07/20 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by Martinez
Originally Posted by jeffcat
Let me put it in an example. (This is a fictional example)

Kawai for example. To make a digi-piano they need an audio processor.

Kawai doesn't make audio processors, so they have to go buy one from say, Yamaha. It's always very easy to get a sales guy on the phone, but that guy isn't the one you really want to talk to. The sales guy can typically quote you specs and pricing, but where's the quality. The quality is in the Engineer who designed the chip, who understands its limits, its idiosyncrasies, its requirements.

The soundchip engineer might take a call, but even then, he's NOT-likely to give Kawai the Secret-Sauce. Perhaps the sound chip they chose isn't really appropriate, the engineer knows of a different chip, but hey, it's not his job to help Kawai.

Now imagine the Yamaha parent difference. The technology group makes ALL of the required components in house. They've got ALL the engineers , all the Secret-Sauce. And because everyone is Team-Yamaha and they all drank that Yama-Koolaid, everything is on the table, no hidden agendas.

These two endeavors would have very different results because of Pedigree. And that's why I believe a Yamaha halo product is likely the best, END to END from the Engineering standpoint.
I've spent years working in consumer electronics. That's not how it is done.

Do tell?

Real example from a consumer electronics company. Happened years ago. An interesting (then) new concept of a battery powered gaming computer. But it had to use the in house developed microprocessor. Good for company business. Besides other flaws the batteries did not last longer than one hour. Product was a total flop. In this sense Kawai may have an advantage over Yamaha, as Kawai can use the best sound processor there is. Yamaha may be forced to only use the best Yamaha sound processor. But then, what Jeffcat was saying is sometimes also how thing can go.


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Re: Best sounding DP
Martinez #2976321 05/07/20 05:34 PM
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Thank you for bringing some sense to this.
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I've spent years working in consumer electronics. That's not how it is done.

And ... perhaps you (instead of jeffcat) should be speaking to the issues ... because, it seems you have a some basis for speaking about it.
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Does anyone know people at Yamaha or Kawai?
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Does anyone know their product development models?
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Does anyone know anything about what goes on inside these companies?
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Re: Best sounding DP
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I still remember how good was the Roland V piano on the demos, 10 years ago, then when I checked it out in person I thought, oh my goodness, what a joke. Things haven't changed regarding demos, take them with a pinch of salt.

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dham340 #2976386 05/07/20 08:44 PM
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For yamaha, anything with CFX sampling, VRM and key-off sampling. The kawai just doesn't sound as real as a Yamaha, and it's hard to explain. Roland sounds pretty good but has even more of that digital effect than kawai. Yamaha sounds great but a tiny bit digital, it's probably the best you will get


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Re: Best sounding DP
jeffcat #2976396 05/07/20 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffcat
please don't cite examples of how you've known a drugged out sister to steal presents from under a christmas tree.

I have no idea what this means - it sounds like a line from a Bad Lip Reading video.

May I use this in my signature, please?

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
please don't cite examples of how you've known a drugged out sister to steal presents from under a christmas tree.

I have no idea what this means - it sounds like a line from a Bad Lip Reading video.

May I use this in my signature, please?

James
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all urs James. I'm looking at the es110. Prices a bit high right now.

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