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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
Granyala #2966094 04/12/20 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Granyala
[quote=MyPianoJourney]Buying speakers is such a pain on a low budget

True!

aria-906 look nice and you seem to have a good solution to your space

Think for me, it will be the Rokit or iLoud minis (probably these)

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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
MyPianoJourney #2966104 04/12/20 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
Originally Posted by Granyala
[quote=MyPianoJourney]Buying speakers is such a pain on a low budget

True!

aria-906 look nice and you seem to have a good solution to your space

Think for me, it will be the Rokit or iLoud minis (probably these)

I brought iLouds and was left disappointed.
I heard them the Pianoman Chuck video and it seemed as if the iLouds were a match for the ES8 on-board speakers, maybe even better.
The reality of those monitors is that the notes around 50Hz buzz with no solution, and the bass is v. muddy, dull and without clarity.
If i was to grade them, I'd say iLouds are 2.5/10 and a real waste of money.
Either I had a bad pair, or they are seriously over-hyped.


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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
Doug M. #2966147 04/12/20 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Either I had a bad pair, or they are seriously over-hyped.

Maybe both. I think they are very decent for the size but also over-hyped (and possible overpriced as well).


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MyPianoJourney #2966356 04/13/20 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
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Buying speakers is such a pain on a low budget
True!

aria-906 look nice and you seem to have a good solution to your space

Think for me, it will be the Rokit or iLoud minis (probably these)
Honestly, if I had to go the active monitor route, I would probably snag these: Focal Solo 6Be.
Might be a bit outside your budget though I'd rather save up for a year and use headphones instead of buying cheap, disappointing speakers.
Also: always buy somewhere with a good return policy. You need to hear any speaker in YOUR room, preferably with adequate room correction (REW/Dirac) to make a determination if it works or not.

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Wow! 959 EUR for one monitor! I wonder what they do to the driver and cabinet of a 200 EUR monitor to turn it into a 959 EUR monitor?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Wow! 959 EUR for one monitor! I wonder what they do to the driver and cabinet of a 200 EUR monitor to turn it into a 959 EUR monitor?

They have magnetically shielded cabinet and AB (i.e. higher fidelity than D) amplifier inside.
Also, they are one of those heroes who not only mention the frequency range, but also the threshold. 2dB is very low threshold for this price range IMO.

Magentic shielding might be overkill for 99% of users, but if you have, say, a powerful PC neraby, it might be worth it.


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As far as headphones are concerned, these Kawai SH9 headphones are supposed to be optimised for piano :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYRLiMahBk

Anyone hear or know anything about them ?

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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
ChrisGoesPiano #2966591 04/13/20 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Wow! 959 EUR for one monitor! I wonder what they do to the driver and cabinet of a 200 EUR monitor to turn it into a 959 EUR monitor?
*chuckles*
Beryllium inverted dome tweeter and W cone.
These are actually the "cheapest" way to get your hands on them, since they are Focals top tier drivers.
Normally the Be tweeters start at 2.5K per Bookshelf speaker in the passive Kanta line and to get both W cone woofers and Be tweeters you are looking at the Sopra line, 3.5K per bookshelf. laugh

Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
As far as headphones are concerned, these Kawai SH9 headphones are supposed to be optimised for piano
Apart from the impedance (these have 47 Ohms, so they should be easy to drive even by wimpy El-Cheapo circuits in your DP), there is no way to "optimize for piano".

Don't fall for such blatant lies.

Either a can sounds neutral and lifelike or it doesn't, it does not magically sound great for piano and crap for anything else. Not is the sound of a piano particularly difficult to reproduce that it would need "special treatment".


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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
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When I want to hear how monitors sound, I listen for quality recordings.

Solo:
- piano with a lot of rambing low octave (Liszt Ballade no.2, etc.);
- fast screaming violin (Paganini Caprice no.5, 24, etc.);
- organ - Bach BWV 565

Classical mix:
- O Fortuna (Carmina Burana - Carl Orff)
- Wagner, The Ride of the Valkyries

You might want to add solo voice recordings as well, if you are going to use monitors for this.

When you use the same recordings for testing for years, you easily catch the differences between monitors.


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Originally Posted by Granyala
Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
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Buying speakers is such a pain on a low budget
True!

aria-906 look nice and you seem to have a good solution to your space

Think for me, it will be the Rokit or iLoud minis (probably these)
Honestly, if I had to go the active monitor route, I would probably snag these: Focal Solo 6Be.
Might be a bit outside your budget though I'd rather save up for a year and use headphones instead of buying cheap, disappointing speakers.
Also: always buy somewhere with a good return policy. You need to hear any speaker in YOUR room, preferably with adequate room correction (REW/Dirac) to make a determination if it works or not.


I am sure they are amazing : )

For me, the MBP (16") speakers are nearly good enough hahaha

So I think JBL 305s, HS5/7 or TV5/7 will do me well : ) or even the iLoud Micros :P (I am planning on moving in a year or so)

I have difficulty spending too much money on stuff, rather use it for travels or courses, etc.

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MyPianoJourney #2973929 05/02/20 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
I have difficulty spending too much money on stuff, rather use it for travels or courses, etc.
*chuckles*
As you can see, I didn't go for them myself, as I am quite content with the sound I have now.
Why spend 2K if you can spend 500 and get all you need.

Never was big on travel myself. Way too stressful and I can't sleep in foreign environments.


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Re: Best Monitors and Headphones for Pianoteq and VPC1
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I have this argument with my wife too. So, it’s OK to spend thousands on a travel to an exotic country and what you’re left with afterwards is just some fading memories (at least that’s how I feel) but it’s not OK to purchase a piano/synth/gadget for the same amount which is something you can use and enjoy for years and then sell. Go figure?! I’ve never really understood people who are so mad about travels. Don’t get me wrong, I also love traveling but the obsession with travels is IMO far worse than your regular equipment obsession smile

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I have this argument with my wife too. So, it’s OK to spend thousands on a travel to an exotic country and what you’re left with afterwards is just some fading memories (at least that’s how I feel) but it’s not OK to purchase a piano/synth/gadget for the same amount which is something you can use and enjoy for years and then sell. Go figure?! I’ve never really understood people who are so mad about travels. Don’t get me wrong, I also love traveling but the obsession with travels is IMO far worse than your regular equipment obsession smile

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I have this argument with my wife too. So, it’s OK to spend thousands on a travel to an exotic country and what you’re left with afterwards is just some fading memories (at least that’s how I feel) but it’s not OK to purchase a piano/synth/gadget for the same amount which is something you can use and enjoy for years and then sell. Go figure?! I’ve never really understood people who are so mad about travels. Don’t get me wrong, I also love traveling but the obsession with travels is IMO far worse than your regular equipment obsession smile

Memories can be created by small moments, like enjoying an evening playing the piano.

I try to limit my purchasing to situations when it does something I cannot easily do with the tools I have or saves me plenty of time.

I would prefer to stick to my "old" phone and travel somewhere nice instead of buying every year the newest iPhone model. But not much traveling for now.

I find the Yamaha HS5 do look pretty : )

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I have this argument with my wife too. So, it’s OK to spend thousands on a travel to an exotic country and what you’re left with afterwards is just some fading memories (at least that’s how I feel) but it’s not OK to purchase a piano/synth/gadget for the same amount which is something you can use and enjoy for years and then sell. Go figure?! I’ve never really understood people who are so mad about travels. Don’t get me wrong, I also love traveling but the obsession with travels is IMO far worse than your regular equipment obsession smile

Im sort of in between. Im a home-body, but when I do travel, or have had to travel for work, I'm always glad I did. Having to go to Germany a couple times for work was such a great experience. Met so many interesting and different types of people that I would ever (never) meet in the southern USA. The music, the culture, the architecture, learning a bit of a new language, definitely worth spending money on.

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We're going a bit off-topic... I'm also somewhere in between. I like traveling to other countries, seeing other cultures, etc. But I'm not really mad about it. I am OK doing that 1-2 times a year and we're usually going somewhere around Europe (where we live). But my wife sometimes brings up the question on how this or that friend of ours is traveling so much more often than us, to so many exotic countries and distant continents and how I'm kind of a pensioner, etc. laugh I have friends who are never at home during the weekends, always traveling somewhere: local or abroad. And honestly, I'd rather kill myself than having to not spend a single weekend at home smile Actually, if I had to choose, I'd rather spend all my weekends (and days) at home, rather than traveling constantly. I've found myself lucky with the covid-19 lockdown since I have an excuse to stay at home now laugh

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I wonder if the COVID-19 has helped home HI-FI sales now that more people have to enjoy their favourite music at home instead of going to venues?

I am holding out for sales on the HS5/T5V/305 speakers

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Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
I wonder if the COVID-19 has helped home HI-FI sales now that more people have to enjoy their favourite music at home instead of going to venues?

I am holding out for sales on the HS5/T5V/305 speakers
I, for one, purchased two Apple HomePod-s, because me and my wife are heavy Apple Music users on a family account. I’m absolutely blown away by the audio quality from these two small speakers placed on my N1X and paired in stereo. The bass is very deep and precise, the sound is balanced across all frequencies and the two speakers seem to disperse a very wide sound in the room. Add to that they are very compact and are controlled through Siri and she recognizes our voices individually and knows our music preferences and it’s just perfect!

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by MyPianoJourney
I wonder if the COVID-19 has helped home HI-FI sales now that more people have to enjoy their favourite music at home instead of going to venues?

I am holding out for sales on the HS5/T5V/305 speakers
I, for one, purchased two Apple HomePod-s, because me and my wife are heavy Apple Music users on a family account. I’m absolutely blown away by the audio quality from these two small speakers placed on my N1X and paired in stereo. The bass is very deep and precise, the sound is balanced across all frequencies and the two speakers seem to disperse a very wide sound in the room. Add to that they are very compact and are controlled through Siri and she recognizes our voices individually and knows our music preferences and it’s just perfect!

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I considered doing this with Amazon Studio, but not sure if that is possible.

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