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How heavy is the Action of a Yamaha CLP685?
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The title of this thread says it all. Well, not entirely. Could you guys tell me how the weight of the CLP685's action compares both to acoustic pianos and to other high-end digital pianos?

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I don’t know the weight per day, but the action is extremely heavy, it’s the heaviest action I have tried, I think I prefer the nwx over the grand touch or what ever it is called in the clp685


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I perform on a 7' and a 9' Steinway quite regularly and have played pretty much every brand of grand pianos out there and usually prefer a heavier action.
I was looking for a new dp a few months ago and was interested in a grand body so I tested a CLP-695, which I believe, has the same action as the 685; within minutes I felt sharp pains in my hands and had to stop. I ended up buying a Kawai MP11se for now. I didn't think the action was that heavy, it just felt very unnatural to me.

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Originally Posted by djvu10
I perform on a 7' and a 9' Steinway quite regularly and have played pretty much every brand of grand pianos out there and usually prefer a heavier action.
I was looking for a new dp a few months ago and was interested in a grand body so I tested a CLP-695, which I believe, has the same action as the 685; within minutes I felt sharp pains in my hands and had to stop. I ended up buying a Kawai MP11se for now. I didn't think the action was that heavy, it just felt very unnatural to me.
Yes - very unnatural.


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Originally Posted by Almaviva
The title of this thread says it all. Well, not entirely. Could you guys tell me how the weight of the CLP685's action compares both to acoustic pianos and to other high-end digital pianos?
I tried 685/695 and it definately felt heavier than any other DPs available. I dont know if it is a good or bad piano but for me it was the one i wanted to play most in the shop, even compared to hybrids.

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Grandtouch is the biggest mistake yamaha have ever made, God forbid they don't carry it over to the clp 700 range. There is far too much resistance/downweight needed to play, I heard its about 80g, it feels terrible to play, whoever came up with the idea needs firing from their team.

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Originally Posted by mwf
There is far too much resistance/downweight needed to play, I heard its about 80g, it feels terrible to play, whoever came up with the idea needs firing from their team.
Certainly is heavy - tried using my 70g weight set and 70g can't move any key.
I agree with all the commentary by everyone above - though I did find the CLP-675 slightly easier/more enjoyable to play (due to less dynamic weight).

In this particular price range (about USD $3,500) of all the Yamahas I actually prefer the CLP-665.

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Originally Posted by mwf
Grandtouch is the biggest mistake yamaha have ever made
I suppose we will find out soon if Yamaha feels this way (a mistake) too.

Yamaha usually does not make any changes to newly redesigned actions for at least a good 6 years (two Clavinova cycles). The GrandTouch is one cycle old (three years); which should mean there will be no revision of this action. If there is a revision/redesign, it would signal that Yamaha does indeed agree with messing up the GrandTouch. If they feel that there’s nothing wrong with the action, we will see no changes.

On a purely anecdotal basis it seems like the action (GrandTurd) gets a lot more hate than love; especially as it compares to its predecessor (NWX).

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I have an GH3-based Clavinova ... and I feel that even that is too heavy.

So ... for my next piano I'm torn. I want to buy either an N1X or a NV10.

I've tried the latter, and the feel is superb. Not too heavy at all. But I'm a bit reluctant to buy the latter for all the quality problem that have surfaced.

I wonder whether the N1X action is too heavy? I had planned to go try one last year, but procrastination put that off. And now I have no opportunity in these hunker-times.

Has anyone "weighed" the N1X action? How about the NV10?

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N1X feels nice, I think similar to one silent U1 I've tried.
CLPs are different.

I think I liked N1X more than the NV10 but it wasn't side-by-side and I wasn't paying so much attention. For this budget, I'd pick the U1 (used).

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Has anyone "weighed" the N1X action? How about the NV10?

You can't really tell if an acoustic grand action feels heavy or not by measuring the downweight. You really have to play it. In a conventional DP, the action is so simple the correlation is much stronger.

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Originally Posted by djvu10
I perform on a 7' and a 9' Steinway quite regularly and have played pretty much every brand of grand pianos out there and usually prefer a heavier action.
I was looking for a new dp a few months ago and was interested in a grand body so I tested a CLP-695, which I believe, has the same action as the 685; within minutes I felt sharp pains in my hands and had to stop. I ended up buying a Kawai MP11se for now. I didn't think the action was that heavy, it just felt very unnatural to me.
+1.

When I tested CLP-685, I felt the action very unnatural as well. Specifically, the key provides a lot of resistance at the beginning of the push - but once you get past the inertia and the key starts moving, they suddenly provide very little resistance.

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This thread is very useful for helping to make a decision, I initially read in other threads that some people thought that the CLP 685 was the best digital action they had ever tried, but lots more people think its too heavy.

Also NWX keys are a lot cheaper. I will still try them all before buying and also the next range whenever they come out.

But it does look like the P-515 is the best thing for how much it costs for the keys you get on it. Maybe a CLP 645 if I really like the look of the wooden ones enough to justify the price.


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OP: Also, in the price range of CLP 685, Kawai 99 is an excellent alternative with a very good action. You may want to check it out.

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At the time i owned the CLP-685 i made a test and the keys didn't start moving at less than 110g.


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Originally Posted by Tyr
At the time i owned the CLP-685 i made a test and the keys didn't start moving at less than 110g.
Yikes!!!

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I have an GH3-based Clavinova ... and I feel that even that is too heavy.

So ... for my next piano I'm torn. I want to buy either an N1X or a NV10.

I've tried the latter, and the feel is superb. Not too heavy at all. But I'm a bit reluctant to buy the latter for all the quality problem that have surfaced.

I wonder whether the N1X action is too heavy? I had planned to go try one last year, but procrastination put that off. And now I have no opportunity in these hunker-times.

Has anyone "weighed" the N1X action? How about the NV10?

What is wrong with the kawai nv10?


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Originally Posted by Tyr
At the time i owned the CLP-685 i made a test and the keys didn't start moving at less than 110g.

Where do you get such weights to test with?


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You can make a private appointment with a dealer. I know of dealers in northern Virginia and the Philadelphia area that do so.

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You can make a private appointment with a dealer. I know of dealers in northern Virginia and the Philadelphia area that do so.

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