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Which tuning app is this?
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Last time I had my Steinway tuned the tuner used a phone app that showed a rotating gray circle that moved right or left to show the pitch. Apparently he had a file saved describing my piano. Do you know which app this is, and where to look it up? (I could ask him, but I don't want him to be offended that I'm trying to do the job myself.)

I've looked up the old threads about tuning apps. Is there anything new I should know about?

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Three with circles and rotating markers come to mind: Cybertuner, Verituner, and Pianometer.

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Sounds like Cybertuner


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Grey circle moving to the left or right; sounds a bit like CyberTuner; £1k to buy the app, plus a yearly subscription...


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Thanks! It is Cybertuner. Glad that he can afford a thousand-dollar app, but I don't feel inclined to spend the money.
TuneLab looks good because it shows a graph of the harmonics. Says you don't need to mute strings, since you can see all the tones.
Entropy Tuner is free, but "not for morons". Guess that leaves me out.

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Originally Posted by edferris
Thanks! It is Cybertuner. Glad that he can afford a thousand-dollar app, but I don't feel inclined to spend the money.
TuneLab looks good because it shows a graph of the harmonics. Says you don't need to mute strings, since you can see all the tones.
Entropy Tuner is free, but "not for morons". Guess that leaves me out.

There is no further development of entropy tuner, so I'd say it's a dead end.

Give Pianometer a try. It gives a superb visual representation of the pitch including harmonics, plus it's really affordable and the best thing is that the developer Andrew Willey is an active participant in this forum and very much interested in receiving feedback and improving the software.

By now, I can tune my old B rather well, which I would not be able to do without Pianometer.

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It looks easier than it appears. An electronic tuning aid is just that, an aid. To tune a piano properly requires hundreds of tuning to get some of the basic mechanics of the hand down, 1000s of tunings to master. Unisons are not tuned with ETAs usually. That requires trained listening over many many tunings and is in constant development over the lifetime of a tuner. Mutes and proper tuning hammer are going to cost money. If you are looking to tune to save money on your tunings you probably are better off just hiring your tuner periodically than learning yourself. Broken strings, headaches and $$$ come along with trying to tune without proper instruction and training.

If your piano is going out of tune every month then it would be a good idea to learn to tune your piano. Once a year or 6 months isn’t worth the work and money involved to get good at it.

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Originally Posted by edferris
Entropy Tuner is free, but "not for morons". Guess that leaves me out.

Entropy tuner really wasn't difficult to understand and I did like it. Except that it was really slow/uncertain at recognizing and displaying the frequency when in tuning mode which became sufficiently frustrating that I abandoned my trial use of it and, following good recommendations here, switched to Pianometer. No regrets :-)

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IMO, the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear. Others are for assistance only.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
IMO, the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear. Others are for assistance only.

My ears need all the help they can get.

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Tunelab's evaluation version is free - it has a 2 minute nag screen that pops up every x notes you tune. I'd give PianoMeter a try if they had a port to windows - no room left on my Android.

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Originally Posted by TBell
Tunelab's evaluation version is free - it has a 2 minute nag screen that pops up every x notes you tune. I'd give PianoMeter a try if they had a port to windows - no room left on my Android.
Surprising that you cannot load a 9MB app? Time for a clean out?
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Originally Posted by TBell
Tunelab's evaluation version is free - it has a 2 minute nag screen that pops up every x notes you tune. I'd give PianoMeter a try if they had a port to windows - no room left on my Android.

This isn't the recommended way obviously. But for info I'm running Piano Meter on windows myself. Using the Blacksticks android platyform under W10.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear.

If you want to do, what a good tunig-app does, you have to compare many intervals for each tone. Especialy the large ones like 12th, 15th and bigger ensure a clear harmony in chords. That's theoretically possible, but I've never seen a tuner comparing more than 8th, 5th and 4th.

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Running Blacksticks android on Windows is good to know. I need a technology refresh though, new laptop, new cellphone etc. etc.

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the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear.

If you want to do, what a good tunig-app does, you have to compare many intervals for each tone. Especialy the large ones like 12th, 15th and bigger ensure a clear harmony in chords. That's theoretically possible, but I've never seen a tuner comparing more than 8th, 5th and 4th.
Andymania, aural tuning using 12th, 15th and bigger is not difficult. I do it for every tuning when expanding out from the midrange. Try Googling Bill Bremmer and tuning mindless octaves and you should find his YouTube demonstrations on how it is done.


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IMO, the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear. Others are for assistance only.
Okay, I know I'm being a wise guy here but I don't think you can backup your assertion that the human ear is cheaper that a tuning app. You need to remember what those ears are attached to and what is needed to keep them functioning properly. Regular cleaning, food, water, some exercise... you get the idea. There's many years of expense in keeping your ears functioning and it's still going on. Thousands of dollars a year, if not more. A tuning app? It pales in comparison.


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IMO, the best and cheapest tuning app is your ear. Others are for assistance only.
Okay, I know I'm being a wise guy here but I don't think you can backup your assertion that the human ear is cheaper that a tuning app. You need to remember what those ears are attached to and what is needed to keep them functioning properly. Regular cleaning, food, water, some exercise... you get the idea. There's many years of expense in keeping your ears functioning and it's still going on. Thousands of dollars a year, if not more. A tuning app? It pales in comparison.

But the tuning app needs to be connected to the same equipment with the same expenses in order to work. Just a different port!


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