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Of course Steinway can appreciate, even tenfold! All the buyer have to do is to be Elton John, Vladimir Horovitz, or His/Her Majesty! Add your name here
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. (falsely attributed to Plato) Vlad, Adult beginner
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Admittedly my experience is limited.
I've played an old Bechstein Grand, and an old Steinway Grand. They were both lovely but not "OMG BEST PIANO EVER". I got to play a new Bosendorfer and new Steingraeber next to each other can't remember their dimensions exactly, probably both were around 7 foot. The Steingraeber was amazing. Bosendorfer undoubtedly lovely, but the Steingraeber was phenomenal. One day I want to own one of those badboys.
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Hi trandinhnamanh. Thanks for posting these videos. However, I don't think you're understanding my question. I'm looking for something specific that you saw in Note by Note that demonstrates a lack of finesse or delicacy (as you put it); something that you think they could be doing differently in order to get better result. Please include the time (minutes and seconds). As I said, I saw the lack of finesse/delicacy in ALL making steps (makers stories, their gestures, their skills etc...). An exemple: personally I don't think a high-end piano action should be prepared by a "Harley Davidson" tattooed guy. Hope that you see what I mean.
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Hi trandinhnamanh. Thanks for posting these videos. However, I don't think you're understanding my question. I'm looking for something specific that you saw in Note by Note that demonstrates a lack of finesse or delicacy (as you put it); something that you think they could be doing differently in order to get better result. Please include the time (minutes and seconds). As I said, I saw the lack of finesse/delicacy in ALL making steps (makers stories, their gestures, their skills etc...). An exemple: personally I don't think a high-end piano action should be prepared by a "Harley Davidson" tattooed guy. Hope that you see what I mean. Which skill specifically? You keep making vague generalizations but have yet to name a single specific from the film. Furthermore, who care if a worker has a tattoo? You don't seem to be able to back up your comments on Steinway workmanship. Now you've transitioned from attacking the the worker's skills to attacking their appearance. You've certainly made a point with this comment, but it's not the point you think it is. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with your point of view. I'm just trying to figure out what it is that you saw in the film that you think Steinway could improve.
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An exemple: personally I don't think a high-end piano action should be prepared by a "Harley Davidson" tattooed guy. Why?
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There is no end to the delight of Trandin...when an opportunity arises to criticize NY pianos. It is a constant. I don’t disagree with many points that poster makes, but one can only pay close attention to a relentless, single drum beat for so long. No sense arguing with him / her about it.
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Hi trandinhnamanh. Thanks for posting these videos. However, I don't think you're understanding my question. I'm looking for something specific that you saw in Note by Note that demonstrates a lack of finesse or delicacy (as you put it); something that you think they could be doing differently in order to get better result. Please include the time (minutes and seconds). As I said, I saw the lack of finesse/delicacy in ALL making steps (makers stories, their gestures, their skills etc...). An exemple: personally I don't think a high-end piano action should be prepared by a "Harley Davidson" tattooed guy. Hope that you see what I mean. Which skill specifically? You keep making vague generalizations but have yet to name a single specific from the film. Furthermore, who care if a worker has a tattoo? You don't seem to be able to back up your comments on Steinway workmanship. Now you've transitioned from attacking the the worker's skills to attacking their appearance. You've certainly made a point with this comment, but it's not the point you think it is. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with your point of view. I'm just trying to figure out what it is that you saw in the film that you think Steinway could improve. You don't see what I mean. OK for that.
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Could somebody work at the Harley Davidson factory with a Steinway tattoo?
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Could somebody work at the Harley Davidson factory with a Steinway tattoo? I would, but for somes here, it must be a Hamburg Steinway tattoo
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Could somebody work at the Harley Davidson factory with a Steinway tattoo? Would be me, but for somes here, it must be a Hamburg Steinway tattoo Steinweg?
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Could somebody work at the Harley Davidson factory with a Steinway tattoo? Would be me, but for somes here, it must be a Hamburg Steinway tattoo Steinweg? Why not? Steinweg und Söhne :)))
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Could somebody work at the Harley Davidson factory with a Steinway tattoo? Would be me, but for somes here, it must be a Hamburg Steinway tattoo Steinweg? Why not? Steinweg und Söhne :))) Warum nicht Helmut Davidsöhne?
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Luckily Harley's history is not quite complicated as Steinway's
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Hi trandinhnamanh. Thanks for posting these videos. However, I don't think you're understanding my question. I'm looking for something specific that you saw in Note by Note that demonstrates a lack of finesse or delicacy (as you put it); something that you think they could be doing differently in order to get better result. Please include the time (minutes and seconds). As I said, I saw the lack of finesse/delicacy in ALL making steps (makers stories, their gestures, their skills etc...). An exemple: personally I don't think a high-end piano action should be prepared by a "Harley Davidson" tattooed guy. Hope that you see what I mean. Which skill specifically? You keep making vague generalizations but have yet to name a single specific from the film. Furthermore, who care if a worker has a tattoo? You don't seem to be able to back up your comments on Steinway workmanship. Now you've transitioned from attacking the the worker's skills to attacking their appearance. You've certainly made a point with this comment, but it's not the point you think it is. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with your point of view. I'm just trying to figure out what it is that you saw in the film that you think Steinway could improve. You don't see what I mean. OK for that. It's not about what I see or don't see, or if I agree or disagree. I'm just looking for you to back up your argument with a single example. Just one single example. You seem to be unwilling or unable to back up what you said. I'm just looking for a bit of veracity.
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Note By Note documentary - video removed by uploader
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That film is 13 years old and the ownership of the entire company has changed since then. Just saying. To be honest, I haven't watched it, because I more often visit factories in person. I have visited Hamburg factory, and other europeen brands' too (Pleyel, Steingraeber, Fazioli...). That's why I have the impression. BTW, Steinway is 167 years old now, and its reputation (good or bad) was not based on the last 13 years. There were improvements in NY factory, I know, and good for them. That's all very impressive. However, you said the video showed a "Lack of finesse and delicacy in all making steps." Can you give even one specific example? To help see things more easier and clearer, you could watch that documentary and some tour video of Hamburg factory or other europeen factories, and see how different piano makers' competence is: Note By Note documentary movie (NY Steinway factory)Hamburg Steinway factory tourC. Bechstein factory tourBösendorfer factoryAnother Bösendorfer factoryIMO, the Note by Note DVD I saw about 5 years ago is the most interesting video on the subject. And here is Fazioli tour: https://youtu.be/SmLkRyxgh1U
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. (falsely attributed to Plato) Vlad, Adult beginner
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IMO, the Note by Note DVD I saw about 5 years ago is the most interesting video on the subject. And here is Fazioli tour: https://youtu.be/SmLkRyxgh1UTotally agree. The movie is really interesting. Pianomania too, just another great documentary movie!
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Pianos are wooden instruments of zilions of moving parts. They built, moved, stored and used across a wide range of temperature and humidity conditions and according to technical care ranging from criminal to perfection. 100% of them vary in condition over time and 100% of brands have variations when new. The more pianos you play the more you will learn. Go visit the largest piano showrooms you can find and play as many pianos as you can, including Steinway showrooms and private halls. Many instruments are horribly average. Most are out of tune or have other glaringly obvious issues. Quite a few don't warrant more than a few notes to determine either the action or tone are appalling. And a very few are special and wonderful, right from the get-go. Go find one of those and buy it. If you are going to move it a lot or pound the living daylights out of it, you will be better off with a sturdy make such as Steinway. If you like jazz, perhaps a Yamaha.
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