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What digital piano did you opt for, and why?
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Hey everyone! I would love to hear why you decided on the digital piano you play. Key action/number of sounds/quality/compatibility with DAWs etc.

I'm still deciding between a couple (mainly the RD2000 / MP11) so I would benefit from hearing your views. I'm sure you all went through what I'm going through now.

Thanks all !

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I bought the FP90 (with the same action as the RD2000) for the action. I believe it had the best action available in a conventional digital at the time.

Both Roland and Kawai have updated their top actions. I don't know when they'll get around to putting their new actions into stage/portable pianos.

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Johnstaf, thats my worry - I feel a new slab, like a "mp12" for instance, will be coming out soon. So you compared the FP90 to a Kawai MP11 and went of the FP then? I've always played acoustics. And the only digital pianos i've played were very very old. Do they feel much more like a normal piano now? Is it a "can't go wrong" scenario?

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thedigitalabyss #2966310 04/13/20 12:18 AM
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Some people prefer the Kawai, and others prefer the Roland. I haven't tried the new action that will probably go into the MP12, or the action that Roland will put in the successor to the FP-90.

I have no problem going between digital and acoustic. They're both extremely good.

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thedigitalabyss #2966357 04/13/20 05:51 AM
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Simple: I wanted one of the wooden KAWAI actions (sadly, where I live there were no Rolands to test and Yamaha didn't convince me), furniture pianos don't fit into my tiny living space and the MP11SE was way out of my price range at the time. Since I have a "beefy" gaming rig (ok it was beefy around 2012 but is still adequate :P ), I have no hassle with VSTi.

So the VPC-1 it was.

So far, I don't regret my decision. And I don't fiddle much with the VTSi either. Too busy trying to learn to hit the right key at the right time. *chuckles*

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Kawai ES-100 and by accident.

I already had a Casio Privia and was in no specific hurry to replace it. So, reading about and watching videos about digital pianos sort of became a hobby. I didn't want to get anything too expensive, but also nothing way too basic. And for practical reasons the dimensions also mattered. I couldn't really decide what I might want and didn't try anything out in stores.

At some point there were some cheap Kawai accessories on an auction site. They were supposed to be the "design stand" for the Kawai ES7/ES8, the triple pedal lyre for the ES7/ES8 and then also the stand for ES100/110. I thought "what the heck" and bought them all thinking that I would get an ES8, sell the ES100/110 stand with a tiny profit and the problem would be solved.

But the pedal lyre was for the ES6 instead. I got my money back for that item and the seller didn't want the item back.

Somehow I ended up getting a used ES100 instead. I had the stand already and it looked like I could "exploit" the ES6 pedal lyre which I then did. That's fine for now as I can't play anything technically advanced anyway, the internal sound (one of them) is usable and I also have P******q.

Now I still have that ES7/8 stand just lying around in a box. It's the "ivory white" version which would match an ES7 but might look weird with a "pure white" ES8. Reminds me I should try to sell it again...or get an ES8 some day(?)

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I have a Yamaha cp33 that I bought almost 10 years ago, I think.

I bought it blind after internet research and reading many positive reviews, when I was looking for my first board with a piano-like action.

I would describe the gh action as good enough, it sure works well enough to play expressively, but it doesn't feel realistic to me. The action on my u3 feels completely different, and way better.

The piano sound is total crap in my opinion, quite disappointing. Reviews were positive about that aspect as well, but in my opinion it's practically a toy piano sound with just 3 obvious dynamic layers and annoyingly obvious looped sustain, so it sounds bad, isnt expressive, and just very artificial/unrealistic and dull. For me, unusable. Back in the day i used it with Synthogy ivory 1, which is already miles ahead.

Other than that the build quality is top notch, and it still functions like new. I'm looking out for a wooden kawai action to replace it, but in the meantime it's still pretty decent when using it with a vst.

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I bought a Clav twelve years ago.

Which piano? It doesn't matter. It's been out of production since 2008.

Why? Because ...
1. It was easy to find a store showing Yamahas. Difficult to find one showing Kawai. Impossible for Roland.
That was in Broward County, Florida. Here in NC it's much easier. There's a large Kawai store, a Yamaha store, and a Roland store.
And a Sam Ash with a surprisingly large collection.
My advice: Seek out more pianos and spend time with them.

2. I didn't know what to expect from a digital. Had I known more I might have made a different choice.
I surely would have spent more time trying other pianos.

3. Had I known about virtual instruments I might have chosen a cheaper piano. The sound on digitals at that time was nothing short of crappy.
At that time I could have spent twice as much ... and still not been satisfied. A cheaper piano with VSTs would have been a better choice.
In the end I added a sound system and VSTs galore.
My advice: Don't skimp on the sound system.

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I bought a NV5 at the end of last year.

Why?

I was searching for a Hybrid with a less noisy action as a replacement for the NU1X. At that time the CA99 wasn't on the horizon. I'm very happy with it. It looks stunning, the Touch and sound are awesome.


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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Kawai ES-100 and by accident.
Good story to remind us not to overthink equipment!

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@Tyr Glad to see you are still liking your NV5 smile


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Kawai Novus NV10 - for the action.

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Kawai ES110, because I'm poor.

Also I gig with 2 guitars, 2 mandolins and the piano. We're two people carrying all that, in a hatchback car. So the ES110's lightweight and portability are highly appreciated.

If I had the money I'd probably get the Kawai ES8 but I'm not sure, it weights twice the ES110!

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Originally Posted by RodrigoPon
Kawai ES110, because I'm poor.
Casio SA76, because Iā€™m really poor!

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Pete14 #2966520 04/13/20 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Casio SA76, because Iā€™m really poor!

Such a new model!

I actually did have some 80's Casio CT model back in the 90's. Maybe a CT460.

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Originally Posted by thedigitalabyss
Hey everyone! I would love to hear why you decided on the digital piano you play. Key action/number of sounds/quality/compatibility with DAWs etc.

I'm still deciding between a couple (mainly the RD2000 / MP11) so I would benefit from hearing your views. I'm sure you all went through what I'm going through now.

Thanks all !

IMO, you need to assess what it is you intend to do with the digital piano you're buying.
I had a clear view of what I wanted:
1) Pretty good action
2) Good build quality
3) Good functionality
4) Great sounds in the main band categories: piano, ep, organs, synth, strings/pads etc.
5) Good UI

The MP7SE had all those just like the RD2000, but it's cheaper and has a better sound selection system.
The RD2000 has way to many sounds and not so good a selection system. It's UI is good but not perfect.
The MP11SE is limited in it's parts, so the MP7SE is better for a band.

Obviously Nords are an option but felt they weren't good value for money.
Yamaha CP88 is good too, but I prefer the Kawai sounds.

Kawai MP7SE has great MIDI controller capability.

What do you want really though?


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I'm after a great action (piano like playing experience) and good midi controller functionality. I'll move it around a bit, but really not much at all. It will mainly be at home, I just move a lot.

The Nord Grand looks great too but I can't get myself around the concept of paying more for an action that is on a piano over 1500 usd less than that - unless i'm misunderstanding its action and keybed.

I think in importance to me is Action, Quality, and Sound. If i'm paying upwards of 2k, i dont want it to feel cheap!

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Originally Posted by thedigitalabyss
I dont want it to feel cheap!

Well, don't sleep with it on your first date! ;-)

Light weight
Yamaha CP88
Yamaha CP4
Korg SV2

Medium weight
MP7SE
RD2000
RD800

Heavy - The stage piano John Coffey would buy
MP11SE


Of all these, the MP11SE tops out the action quality.
The MP7SE and RD2000 top out the functionality charts.

The RD800 is a great second hand steal.

MP7SE has IMO best all round qualities for the price---it's action (RHIII) is comparable to the PHA50 on the RD2000.
Both Kawai's have better build quality than the plastic RD2000 (the Kawais have a metal & wood side panel casing).

If you purchase the RD2000, don't forget to purchase a good headphone amp too, as you'll need it (the on-board headphone amp is less than impressive).
Otherwise, it's an excellent board apart from when you need to find a particular sound---then the MP7SE really does better at that.

Both have comparable actions; both have great acoustic pianos (although you'll have to work harder to find the acoustic sound you want on the RD2000).

Pick from the MP7SE or RD2000 for the MIDI controller functionality.
Pick the MP11SE if you like the action and think it makes up for a lack of some of the MP7SE's functions.

Don't forget to try before you buy---otherwise it will all end up in a messy divorce.


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I bought my P515 because I wanted a better keyboaed to play Pianoteq with. I was happy with PT, all the different instruments had their individual character, my favourite acoustic soundalike was the Bechstein from the Klemskregg selection, or something.
It was so realistic, I hated it. Yet I played it a lot.
Tried out most everything. We have 'em all, around where I live; I preferred the sound of the CLP635 to that of the others including the Casio GP 501, and the CLP665 grand (based on the 635) but didn't like its touch.
Liked the touch of the 645 but didn't care for the sound; there's an audio deficiency between the main speakers and the tweeters. Played the DGX 660, but it sounded and played like an old friend who'd drifted away to pastures new. It's probably me who's drifted away.
Or my head has.
The Kawai CA58 was very good, but I wasn't convinced the action was any better than that on my Roland FP50 which was pretty good.

So I bought the P515 which sounded lousy in the shop. But was cheap enough to tempt me.

After ramping up the resonances, I was surprised how good the voices were, and how easy it is to change things, within certain limits.
I only tried it with Pianoteq a couple of times aftyer that; I'd need to put in a lot of time which I haven't got, to improve things dramatically, if that was at all possible. As things stand, the 515 isn't a good controller imo.
But overall, I'm very happy with it. Good solid choice, decent sound in the house, and the stand looks lovely.
And SHE likes it!

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