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#2964256 04/06/20 08:12 PM
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Hi,

Self-taught beginner here. I'd like to know what to practice next, but don't know about the hierarchy of traditional piano learning. My ultimate goal is to be able to improvise on the piano for song writing.

These are the things I can do:

- practicing some scales
- triad 1-3-5 hand positioning
- two-handed arpeggio runs (white keys only)
- basic hand independence and finger practice (one hand playing twice the tempo)
- playing with the pedals
- octave doubling
- playing some tunes like Gymnopédie, Stevie Wonder etc.
- basic improvisation with melody and harmony

These are the things I'd like to be able to do:

- 7th chords with one hand technique (for both left and right hand)
- inversions
- one-handed arpeggio runs

Question: in what order should I begin? Also, something else that has bothered me for a while... is that as beginner I've learned to use 1-3-5 positioning for chords, but I often see piano instructors do 1-2-3. I practiced arpeggio runs as 1-3-5 to the point that it is hard-wired in me. Did I do it wrong?

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Originally Posted by Steve-22

These are the things I'd like to be able to do:

- 7th chords with one hand technique (for both left and right hand)
- inversions
- one-handed arpeggio runs




Dominant 7th chord arpeggios (I don't know what you mean by one hand technique) were introduced to me at grade 6 AMEB (similar to ABRSM ) and the inversion of Dominant 7th chords were introduced at Grade 7.

Hands separate arpeggio's are introduced fairly early, although they are just broken chord exercises for the first few years. Full two handed arpeggios came in around grade 4.

Really the order is up to you, but three note arpeggios are the usual starting point.



Originally Posted by Steve-22


Also, something else that has bothered me for a while... is that as beginner I've learned to use 1-3-5 positioning for chords, but I often see piano instructors do 1-2-3. I practiced arpeggio runs as 1-3-5 to the point that it is hard-wired in me. Did I do it wrong?


here is a typical fingering chart for arpeggios, and here you will find examples.


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Get used to playing on the black keys. Practice scales and arpeggios in C# F# B E Ab .

Don't make up your own fingering.

There's nothing special about the white keys.


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Get used to playing on the black keys. Practice scales and arpeggios in C# F# B E Ab .


Even if slowly, very slowly playing the black keys. You will thank us later smile


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Get a Czerny book, a Hanon book and also the Notebook for AM by Bach. They will produce wonders to your fingers as long you study them with consistency.

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You know, some music schools publish their syllabi like this one:
https://files.rcmusic.com//sites/default/files/files/RCM-Piano-Syllabus-2015.pdf

You can take a look at it to get an idea of what the traditional piano learning is.

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^^^This.

There is nothing stopping you doing what a teacher would do anyway, namely following a syllabus like the one mentioned. There will be a technical book to go with it showing what fingerings to use for technical exercises and a repertoire book with suitable pieces to learn thoroughly. A “method book” can be added as well. You can often pick these up secondhand for peanuts.

Doing something like this will give you a structure and sense of purpose, as well as a little bit of a controlled environment where you learn things and then use them to play music rather than just learning meaningless exercises that might have no relevance to anything you’re going to play anytime soon.


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