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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
Bruce In Philly #2964225 04/06/20 05:44 PM
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If I may add he was right about is criticisms of Pianoteq all along. Plays good sounds not so good.


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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
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You got him banned for being right!

Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
In other words, point taken smile And thanks for being nice saying that. I tend to not listen to people who are less diplomatic in saying what you said which is why I rarely listen to them. But I thought a lot about what you said and I found truth in it. Thanks 🤝

I'm smiling because my comments were only meant to suggest that people shouldn't avoid trying the Vintage D because of the pedaling issue. Nothing except my gratitude for your previous Vintage D and Garritan CFX observations and contributions were directed at you personally. If you had a moment of useful introspection from my comments that's great, but it wasn't my intention. I'm for ripping these products apart and understanding everything they do poorly (and well). The danger of course is people with lessor experience may overreact to a specific issue and avoid trying a good product, and I was just trying to prevent that.


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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
Bruce In Philly #2964241 04/06/20 07:00 PM
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Interesting discussions, and very insightful. I agree with Macy, and others feeling the same way, that CyberGene's contributions, have been very helpful, well argumented, and a great factor in evaluating the various virtual libraries. Not the least his half-pedalling fix for Garritan CFX (which I must shamefully admit, I haven't yet tried). eek I will though, after not such a long time.

Since I'm dishing out praise, I have to mention karvala and bstn99. Their deep analyses have been invaluable, and probably helpful to a lot of members here, or people who find this forum, through an internet search. I could name others, but this comment is already becoming too long.

Macy's contributions were also helpful for me, many years ago, when I was contemplating which piano VST to get, on a very tight budget. Also those from MacMacMac, and Digitalguy.

They recommended Galaxy Vintage D, though Digitalguy was more leaning towards Ivory's American Concert D. At that time, 2011, I think, there were fewer piano VSTs around, and those two were the biggest names, and are still among the top dogs.

I believe my first piano VST was Native Instruments Giant, and shortly thereafter Galaxy II German Baby Grand. So I didn't follow their advice, which I regret occassionally, especially after this discussion.

As everyone can see from my signature, the list of my piano VSTs just grew and grew, and even though I've gotten many of them at a deep discount, the money I've spent would have sufficed to get Galaxy Vintage D a few times, and even also Ivory American Concert D.

Nevertheless, I like most of my piano libraries. I like to have a variety to choose from. About the faults, I honestly haven't played any of them long enough to be a judge of that! Maybe that's the best way to avoid the playability issues, not play any of the software pianos long enough to notice, LOL!


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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
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I only play the NI Noire at the moment. If you want a piano with a character, it is your thing! Especially the room sound of the recording location is so astonishing. Give it a try....

Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
Bruce In Philly #2964248 04/06/20 07:42 PM
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Been browsing through old threads, and it was 2014, not 2011, I was asking for opinions. Wow, I was off by three years, how quickly time passes!

Anyhow, here is the thread, interesting to read it again, even though it's only after six years, not nine.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-samples-pianos-asking-for-opinions.html


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Re: Piano VSTs - how did you choose your first?
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IMHO the Galaxy Vintage D is a very good piano VST, but to sound realistic it requires you to calibrate very carefully the velocity curve, because its high velocity layers (IMHO) sound harsh a little too soon. And its middle velocity layers are a little too much clean for my tastes, like if its samples were heavily processed with some smoothing filter after the recording (maybe to get rid of some unwanted noises from the mics). So, I feel it's digital (it's almost the same feeling of a good Pianoteq piano preset) and I could never mistake a Galaxy Vintage D recording for a real piano recording of a Steinway D.

I bought the Ivory 2 American Concert D just because I hoped I could get a similar piano sound timbre but a bit more detailed, warmer and realistic sounding. And indeed it is.

But I think the Vintage D engine does a better job with sound customization options (overtones, release, hammer sound, etc.), it uses a very good reverb algorithm and I like very much the Stereo Width option. With Ivory 2 I can only reduce the stereo width of the original samples (to make them more 'mono'), but with the Galaxy engine I can go up to 200%. This gives you the feeling of a very LARGE piano. Maybe it's unrealistic, but I like to hear stereo separation. When I used the Vintage D, if I remember well I used a 120% value for stereo width...

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