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Octaves and the 4th finger
#2963811 04/05/20 06:09 AM
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Hi,

I was taught to use the 4th finger on black keys when practicing octave scales.

I am working on Chopin prelude in C minor. My first piece with a lot of octaves. Should I also
use the 4th finger on black keys here exclusively?

Or should I endeavor to be equally proficient with both 4th and 5th finger?

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IntermedPianist #2963831 04/05/20 09:06 AM
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Hi InterMed
Chopin op 28 no 20 is not considered a piece with ‘octaves’ where there is a consideration of using 1-4 on the black key octave but rather a piece with chords that span an octave. Because of the extra, intermediary notes, 1-5 is used for the octave, so that all fingers are free for the other notes in the chord.

An octave is just two notes; more notes than that changes it to a chord with chord fingering.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
Hi InterMed
Chopin op 28 no 20 is not considered a piece with ‘octaves’ where there is a consideration of using 1-4 on the black key octave but rather a piece with chords that span an octave. Because of the extra, intermediary notes, 1-5 is used for the octave, so that all fingers are free for the other notes in the chord.

An octave is just two notes; more notes than that changes it to a chord with chord fingering.

IntermedPianist is probably talking about the left hand.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Hi InterMed
Chopin op 28 no 20 is not considered a piece with ‘octaves’ where there is a consideration of using 1-4 on the black key octave but rather a piece with chords that span an octave. Because of the extra, intermediary notes, 1-5 is used for the octave, so that all fingers are free for the other notes in the chord.

An octave is just two notes; more notes than that changes it to a chord with chord fingering.

IntermedPianist is probably talking about the left hand.


Duh—— of course! My bad 🙀 I don’t worry about using 1-4 on the black octaves in the LH, and tend to only use 1-5 everywhere except when there is are adjacent black/white key octaves. Then I may use 1-4 followed by 1-5.


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If your hand is big enough, then use 1-4. Some people have to stretch very hard to get 1-4, and frequent stretching can lead to straining and fatigue, so those people should use 1-5 all the time.


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1-4 it is then, thanks everyone.


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