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Damper and other issues
#2962781 04/01/20 11:35 PM
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The piano in question is a Baldwin 6000 I recently purchased. After a while of playing it I noticed that the tone was sounding a little too bright and harsh. I also noticed that some of the regulation was off and the notes would double strike when I played softly sometimes. Playing softly was also a little difficult except with the rightmost pedal depressed. In which case I could play almost as softly as I wanted. Being stuck indoors made me a little too bored so I tried to fix some of the problems myself.

I managed to remove the action from the case and blew most of the dust out with light air from my compressor and cleaned under the keys. Found one of the hammers that gave me trouble didn't have it's return spring in it place. I put that back. I resurfaced the mid-range hammers and found the buckskins were barely indented. The dampers were in the way and I didn't want to risk damaging them, so I took them off when I resurfaced the hammers. The dampers between bi and trichords gave me grief going back in their spots. They kept interfering with each other. I noticed one had what looked like poppies seeds under the flange when I took it off. Stuck a paper shim under one side and that stopped them from getting stuck on each other. Reinstalled action and checked function. Tone was much better. Regulated hammer let off which helped me control dynamics a bit more. Problems left are key dip and height, touch weight, those two dampers at the base/mid-range break not damping properly, and a buzzing noise possibly coming from the left side of the piano.

I managed to get the two notes to somewhat damp when the key is released. One seems to not let the note sustain for long, but will if I make the damper clear it a bit more. Read a book on piano repair and can only think of bending the spring on back of it's lever for the one not damping enough. Decided to leave it alone for now. Apologies if I used the wrong terminology.

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Did you remove the damper heads, or the entire levers? It is not a good idea to do either, unless you have the proper tools and skills. It is easier to remove the action to reshape the hammers, and do most of the reshaping out of the piano, than to mess up the dampers. Amateurs fiddling with upright dampers are in for quite a bit of grief.

The things to look for when dampers do not damp well is whether they lift too soon or late when the pedal is depressed, and when the key is depressed. You also have to make sure that they touch the string evenly, too. Making sure that the dampers lift evenly when the pedal is depressed needs to be done before dealing with when the keys are depressed.


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No, the dampers weren't in the way. You just hadn't learned the technique to perform the task. Professionals never remove the dampers in order to shape hammers.
One reason -- aside from wasted time -- is seating issues. The dampers WILL NOT be in the exact same location as they were prior to removal.

Too late for you, as you will have to putz with re-seating the dampers but hopefully this will be a lesson for others contemplating the same approach.


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If you cannot figure out how to do something, you can always ask here. If you are unsure and planning to do something, ask before you do it. We can alert you if you are going to get into trouble.

Apropos, do not fiddle with the damper spring!

This story pains me, because the Baldwins were the last of the spring rail actions, which I much prefer to the spring and loop actions.


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Thanks for the replys.

Fixed the buzzing noise. The piano was shaking a ornament on the wall. Moved it a little and it stopped. The one damper does look to lift very late in comparison with most of the others. The other somewhat earlier. The dampers as a whole did not lift evenly before I took the action out but seemed to work fine, so I left them be. I have a few regulation tools in a pouch. Will be super fiddley like you said, but I should get it back to normal eventually. No springs have been bent so everything is the same there. Oddly, it feels like there was more space in my old Elgin to get to things. Everything seems to be more compact in this Baldwin, even though it's bigger.


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