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Suggestion on what to buy...used Kawai CA67 or
#2962485 04/01/20 08:23 AM
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Hi everybody!
I'm a guitarist/bassist and I want to learn to play piano, I have my trusty KORG M1 which I use to play some synth leads on my tracks, however I'd like to play some piano too, and I'd like to have a good piano action (I also have an Arturia midi controller which feels like a toy)

keep in mind I have a space of exactly 130 cm between my desk and the wall, so for options 1 and 2 I have to cut the desk to make the DP fit which is a big hassle.

I need the internal sounds just for a quick practice run, for recording I'll use the MIDI out and drive VSTs


The options I came up with are the following:

1 - USED Kawai CA67 (I found one for 1200 Euros)

2 - NEW Kawai CA48 (you can find them here for around 1490 Euros)

3 - Roland FP-10 (500 euros with the cabinet) which doesn't require me any modifications to the desk


What would you suggest? keep in mind right now in Italy we're under a strict lockdown, so I can't go play them in the store

Is the PHA-4 action so much inferior to the Kawai Grand feel and Grand feel compact?

Have you got some other valid suggestion?


Thanks for your help,
ciao!!

Re: Suggestion on what to buy...used Kawai CA67 or
Rockappalla #2962496 04/01/20 09:07 AM
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I suggest you try each piano to see which feels right to you. (You'll be recording with virtual instruments, so the piano native sounds are not so important.)

Re: Suggestion on what to buy...used Kawai CA67 or
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I have a FP10 for practicing in the office and a Kawai MP11 and VPC1 at home (the MP11 will go when the lockdown is over). They are all great in different ways (and at different price points), but the FP10 has only a double rather than triple sensor and that makes a significant difference for trills etc.

I would personally recommend either of the Kawai. I think the CA67 has the best action (I like the GFII action the best) but it's prone to problems (teflon pad coming off) and since you are buying second hand... If you are happy fixing it yourself I would go for that. The CA48 has the GF compact action with a shorter pivot but is free from the potential teflon pad problem. I would personally go for the CA67. The CA48 action feels a bit less piano like but would also be a great option.

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Originally Posted by giu
I have a FP10 for practicing in the office and a Kawai MP11 and VPC1 at home (the MP11 will go when the lockdown is over). They are all great in different ways (and at different price points), but the FP10 has only a double rather than triple sensor and that makes a significant difference for trills etc.

I would personally recommend either of the Kawai. I think the CA67 has the best action (I like the GFII action the best) but it's prone to problems (teflon pad coming off) and since you are buying second hand... If you are happy fixing it yourself I would go for that. The CA48 has the GF compact action with a shorter pivot but is free from the potential teflon pad problem. I would personally go for the CA67. The CA48 action feels a bit less piano like but would also be a great option.


Thanks for the answer...I really have to decide what to do with desk though, it's gonna be a pain in the butt to cut to make the kawais fit...

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Originally Posted by giu
but the FP10 has only a double rather than triple sensor


I believe this is wrong. From what I have read, FP10 is triple sensor just like FP30 and their "bigger" PHA-4 siblings.


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but the FP10 has only a double rather than triple sensor


I believe this is wrong. From what I have read, FP10 is triple sensor just like FP30 and their "bigger" PHA-4 siblings.

I think I've seen a review where it was mentioned a triple sensor for the FP-10...

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IMO those are pretty good prices all around. In this case, consider that the CA-67 should be a superior instrument to the CA-48 in every way (assuming it's in good condition. It as a more premium action in Grand Feel II versus Grand Feel Compact, as well as a more recent and advanced sound engine (HI-XL Imaging, versus Progressing Harmonic Imaging). While the CA-67 is a couple of generations behind by now, it's NOT behind in any aspect in comparison to the CA-48.

The FP-10 is definitely good for the price, but it's on the other end of the spectrum as the CA-67--a well priced, good quality beginner/budget DP.

Best of luck weathering the situation over there in Italy, and stay safe and healthy!


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but the FP10 has only a double rather than triple sensor


I believe this is wrong. From what I have read, FP10 is triple sensor just like FP30 and their "bigger" PHA-4 siblings.

I think I've seen a review where it was mentioned a triple sensor for the FP-10...


I stand corrected. I bought it despite thinking it was only double. It definitely does not feel it responds as quick as my two Kawais. Playing Bach on it is hard. But it's great to practice scales at the office during lunchtime break.

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1 - USED Kawai CA67 (I found one for 1200 Euros)

make a 1000€ offer and try to reach a 1100€ final price and you're ok. Forget about the rest.

https://www.kawai-global.com/product_comparison/detail.php?n=2512,1064&ct=36

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I'll try to go for the used CA67 è when the quarantine is over... Thanks EVERYBODY!!
stay safe and ciao!!!

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I have a CA65.
it has had a slip tape problem that caused sticky keys.

try to find out if the CA67 has this problem.

if it does, find out how much it will cost to get it fixed.

that said, I love my CA65.
it is among the very best purchases I have ever made. possibly the best.
and I bought it new, full price.
it is simply extraordinary.
if the CA67 is in good shape, in my book, it is worth way more than the asking price.

be well, prayers for all in Italy.


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