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Custom Painting Digital Piano Good Idea or Not?
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Hi all,

I am a happy owner of a Kawai ES100, I am now in the market for something more powerful too enjoy even without headphone and I am currently considering a Kawai CA78 or CA79 as my next purchase.

The problem (which is clearly subjective) is that I find most digital cabinet piano really boring.

So I've been browsing the internet and found plenty of inspiring custom painted old acoustic pianos.

I am not attaching images to avoid any copywriting issues but you can see what I mean in the following example:

https://www.sincerelysarad.com/painting-a-piano-tutorial/

I did similar things in the past with other furniture with good results, I am now wondering if the idea can be applied to a DP.

How easy would be disassembling and reassembling a piano like a Kawai CA79? Do you think is feasible or I may just risk to damage it?

Any thoughts welcome.

Thanks!

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Other than making it very difficult to resell, I think it's a great idea if you have the skills and creativity. I'm also an artist and have done similar things. If you must disassemble, the legs should come off of the body without too much risk. I wouldn't paint the areas too close to where your fingers will touch. Vinyl wrapping may be another option.

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Disassembly can be moderately tricky for furniture-style DPs, since there are a lot of interlocking parts, and you may need to disconnect/remove electronics/cables in order to reach screws needed for another part. But it's never insurmountable, and you should have a good sense of how comfortable you are working with electronics and chassis parts.

There's no real danger with just painting a DP. Make sure you mask off electronics and action/key parts, don't block out ventilation ports, etc. I suspect resale value will indeed suffer, but I assume you're OK with that.


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You might look at car wraps instead of painting it. They're pretty easy to apply and the color and pattern selection is large. I vaguely remember there was a thread on the forum about someone who had done this, you might try searching to see if you find something.


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. . Other than making it very difficult to resell, . . .


+1 !

A "car wrap" might be better, _if_ you could remove it without damaging the underlying finish.


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May I ask, what colour?

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If you find the look of the piano boring ... then perhaps you're paying too much attention to the piano and not enough to the music?
Originally Posted by frax79
The problem (which is clearly subjective) is that I find most digital cabinet piano really boring.

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You can try an automotive "vinyl wrap" like those from 3m. Good applications look fantastic but are expensive. Removal can be brutal and sometimes damages automotive paints. I'm not convinced that the composite boards on a digital piano or the finishes will survive the adhesives, chemicals, or rough removal.

You can also look a "dipping" cars. Plasti-dip is a spray finish that might be easier to apply and can look good. It can be peeled off cars with good finish. Not sure it would peel easily from a digital piano finish.

Plenty of youtube motor videos.

Maybe regular paints would provide the best price to performance.

I suppose a "custom" digital piano's depreciation curve would be extra steep.

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Besides the fact, than in many eyes you will just damage the piano, I would look for easy take-off paints. Perhaps you will have to use some primer etc, but look for applications from Motip or Novoll or your local paint manufacturers, as I do know where do you come from. But maybe god quality wrap would do the work, but I would be very hesitatnt to take the automovie paint, as they are designed to fit tight and be resistand for all kinf od extreme treatment (small stones hitting the car with 100km/h, 50C of sun, -20C in winter, week of non-stop rain etc)

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If you buy CA78 second hand and warranty is void - why not, go for it.

But buying a new one I would select something that I think fits the spot - and not void warranty the first thing repainting it. To make this look nice takes some skill, I think.

Any peel off stuff will not allow to take it off - since light will have affected color below it.

I looked closely at CA78 and thought rosewood was real pretty. So look for cheap finish that is already painted - if satin black or something is one they sell, don't remember. I think it is cheaper as well. At least than high gloss black.


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I hate gloss black on my N2. I much prefer satin finish. It took me like to two seconds to warm up to gloss.


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Originally Posted by frax79
Hi all,

I am a happy owner of a Kawai ES100, I am now in the market for something more powerful too enjoy even without headphone and I am currently considering a Kawai CA78 or CA79 as my next purchase.

The problem (which is clearly subjective) is that I find most digital cabinet piano really boring.

So I've been browsing the internet and found plenty of inspiring custom painted old acoustic pianos.

I am not attaching images to avoid any copywriting issues but you can see what I mean in the following example:

https://www.sincerelysarad.com/painting-a-piano-tutorial/

I did similar things in the past with other furniture with good results, I am now wondering if the idea can be applied to a DP.

How easy would be disassembling and reassembling a piano like a Kawai CA79? Do you think is feasible or I may just risk to damage it?

Any thoughts welcome.

Thanks!


Do it if you're professional in painting cars. Otherwise, 99.99% you'll ruin it.

1- That's a dead piano which probably the owner couldn't get rid of. You know these days you gotta pay few hundred bucks to get rid of junks like that.

2- The pictures portray some terrible/sketchy finish done by an amateur person. The painting looks awful and it will come off as soon as you sit on that bench or touch any parts of that piano.

How on earth painting a chrome pedal can look good? Can you even press the pedal without ruining the paint finish?
Unless you spend a lot of money and time you will never be able to do a clean finish (paint it 10 times, sand it 10 times, wait long enough for the paint to finish each time).

The pictures are taken from far distant. Don't be fooled by whatever silly article you see on the internet.

The piano you're buying is painted with hardware which cost more than CA79 price to purchase.


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Take it to Earl Scheib. He'll paint any piano for only $49.95. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdtOOYdQOs

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Take it to Earl Scheib. He'll paint any piano for only $49.95. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdtOOYdQOs


LOL is he still alive? I need to get him to remove a scratch off of my bumper!

The best solution IMHO is to buy a nice slab like MP11SE and buy a piano shell for it. A piano shell can be a dead piano for dirt cheap.

This lady's blog is the right place to check out and get ideas:

https://www.3x3custom.com/tutorials/making-a-walnut-keyboard-stand

You can also google "piano shell" or "modern piano shell" etc to get ideas if you're into DIY stuff.

Not that cheap dollar-store paint finish. She literally gold sprays everything!


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If you find the look of the piano boring ... then perhaps you're paying too much attention to the piano and not enough to the music?

+1

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"Good Idea or Not?"

...not. laugh

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Originally Posted by frax79

How easy would be disassembling and reassembling a piano like a Kawai CA79? Do you think is feasible or I may just risk to damage it?


OK. You need at least one more vote for this is a good idea. I may be like you. When I buy something, I don't buy it with the intention of using it very carefully and then selling it. I buy it to use it however and for as long as I want. You only go around once in life, so go for the gold (if that's your favorite color.) I think you could get by with just masking off what you don't want painted and then there is no disassembly required. That way you don't risk damaging anything. This is your baby, you are going to pay hard earned money for it, customize it to exactly what you want. It should be a feast for your eyes as well as your ears. And if you grow tired of the new color after some time, well you are now experienced enough to redo it.

Go for it. Don't let people here talk you out of it. By the way, I bet you're not the type of person that owns a black, white or grey car are you?


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If you happen to like red, maybe you can just buy a Nord dp and matching red stand. Of course you can always paint over the red too!!! smile

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... but if you're going to go through the trouble of painting, maybe you oughta just go for the NV10!!!

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