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As far as I'm concerned, it's essential, but does everyone agree?
Do you have to stay at home or can I get my piano tuned without endangering the public welfare?


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You can stay home and have a tuner in the house, disinfect your piano and be in another room when he goes to work.


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Originally Posted by malkin
As far as I'm concerned, it's essential, but does everyone agree?
Do you have to stay at home or can I get my piano tuned without endangering the public welfare?


Check the regulation to see how your particular state defines ‘essential services’.

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In my state, we are not on the list of essential services, so we must close. That said, I stopped tuning before the shutdown order came for my safety and my customer's.


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In my state, we are not on the list of essential services, so we must close. That said, I stopped tuning before the shutdown order came for my safety and my customer's.


Loren, I read it differently here in PA: https://www.governor.pa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business.pdf

In the last listed Industry "Other services", Sector "Other Services", Subsector "Repair and Maintenance", Industry Group "Personal and Household Goods Repair and Maintenance", the list says "Yes" under "May Continue Physical Operations"

Of course if any of us think it best to not go out tuning pianos, then that is an individual choice. I tuned yesterday. But Bradford County only has 2 reported cases and here "Social Distancing" is kinda the norm. wink


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I personally don’t think you need to worry too much about private services if you feel it’s needed, assuming you’re responsible about interaction and cleaning. These restrictions are primarily to slow the spread of the virus for the sake of our hospitals. Less overall infections would be a very valuable but secondary benefit.

On the other hand, the more people who potentially expose themselves to the virus the longer we’ll have these restrictions. I saw groups of people playing basketball and tennis at a closed local park a few days ago—if more people had self control and enough concern for others we’d probably be past the restrictions by now.

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Originally Posted by jsilva
I personally don’t think you need to worry too much about private services if you feel it’s needed, assuming you’re responsible about interaction and cleaning. These restrictions are primarily to slow the spread of the virus for the sake of our hospitals. Less overall infections would be a very valuable but secondary benefit.

On the other hand, the more people who potentially expose themselves to the virus the longer we’ll have these restrictions. I saw groups of people playing basketball and tennis at a closed local park a few days ago—if more people had self control and enough concern for others we’d probably be past the restrictions by now.


I understand there is a trade-off. The less restrictions, the quicker we get "herd immunity" (~60% population) and the virus can no longer propagate - but the more deaths due to medical services being over whelmed, and visa-versa. My silly idea is a reverse quarantine. Isolate everyone susceptible to a bad outcome from the virus. Maybe PAY healthy people to GET the virus, with free medical care and a guaranteed death benefit, perhaps student loan or IRS debt forgiveness to boot? (Oh, so unpolitically correct...) Rotate these volunteers back into the general population so we can get to that 60% quicker, but more controlled than ONLY chasing hot-spots and enforcing social distancing on nearly everyone. Roll with the punches. Yes, I am "Unright"...


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Originally Posted by Loren D
In my state, we are not on the list of essential services, so we must close. That said, I stopped tuning before the shutdown order came for my safety and my customer's.


You only have one customer? That's what your punctuation says.... (Sorry! I can resist everything but temptation!)

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I can't imagine how having your piano tuned would be an essential service.

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I can't imagine how having your piano tuned would be an essential service.

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Originally Posted by David Boyce
Originally Posted by Loren D
In my state, we are not on the list of essential services, so we must close. That said, I stopped tuning before the shutdown order came for my safety and my customer's.


You only have one customer? That's what your punctuation says.... (Sorry! I can resist everything but temptation!)


Maybe you should try harder.

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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
Originally Posted by jsilva
I personally don’t think you need to worry too much about private services if you feel it’s needed, assuming you’re responsible about interaction and cleaning. These restrictions are primarily to slow the spread of the virus for the sake of our hospitals. Less overall infections would be a very valuable but secondary benefit.

On the other hand, the more people who potentially expose themselves to the virus the longer we’ll have these restrictions. I saw groups of people playing basketball and tennis at a closed local park a few days ago—if more people had self control and enough concern for others we’d probably be past the restrictions by now.


I understand there is a trade-off. The less restrictions, the quicker we get "herd immunity" (~60% population) and the virus can no longer propagate - but the more deaths due to medical services being over whelmed, and visa-versa. My silly idea is a reverse quarantine. Isolate everyone susceptible to a bad outcome from the virus. Maybe PAY healthy people to GET the virus, with free medical care and a guaranteed death benefit, perhaps student loan or IRS debt forgiveness to boot? (Oh, so unpolitically correct...) Rotate these volunteers back into the general population so we can get to that 60% quicker, but more controlled than ONLY chasing hot-spots and enforcing social distancing on nearly everyone. Roll with the punches. Yes, I am "Unright"...


Well, consider an infant under the age of one just died in IL. And roughly 40% of hospitalizations are people under 55 years old. It's not safe to make assumptions as to who is susceptible to a bad outcome. Going from customer to customer across multiple counties right now puts too many people at risk, myself included.


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In my state, we are not on the list of essential services, so we must close. That said, I stopped tuning before the shutdown order came for my safety and my customer's.


You only have one customer? That's what your punctuation says.... (Sorry! I can resist everything but temptation!)


Maybe you should try harder.


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The average age of death from coronavirus is 80, US surgeon general says:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...l-hnk/h_756ae86885c0377629fc126a9086a172


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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
The average age of death from coronavirus is 80, US surgeon general says:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...l-hnk/h_756ae86885c0377629fc126a9086a172


40% of the virus cases in New York state are in the 18-54 age group. I think repeating statements like the one you quoted unfortunately encourage younger people to not socially distance themselves. Even if they get a mild case of the flu or have no symptoms they can give it to a person who is more susceptible of getting severe symptoms or even dying. I live in NYC and the main streets, like main streets in major cities around the world, are incredibly empty for a good reason.

The article you quoted is 19 days old when things were just beginning.

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OK, suitably abashed, I shall.

It might also be possible to try harder with apostrophes.....

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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
The average age of death from coronavirus is 80, US surgeon general says:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...l-hnk/h_756ae86885c0377629fc126a9086a172


So? A significant percentage of those younger than that still require hospitalization, thereby stressing hospital resources and taking beds/supplies/care.


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In europe, people above 75 do not get ventilation in countries like Italy, France, .... . It is considered too heavy a treatment. If they get the virus and if it takes a severe form, the very likely outcome is that they will die. So anything that can prevent them to get the disease is a potential life saver, of which avoiding contact with an infected person is the only viable solution.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
The average age of death from coronavirus is 80, US surgeon general says:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...l-hnk/h_756ae86885c0377629fc126a9086a172


40% of the virus cases in New York state are in the 18-54 age group. I think repeating statements like the one you quoted unfortunately encourage younger people to not socially distance themselves. Even if they get a mild case of the flu or have no symptoms they can give it to a person who is more susceptible of getting severe symptoms or even dying. I live in NYC and the main streets, like main streets in major cities around the world, are incredibly empty for a good reason.

The article you quoted is 19 days old when things were just beginning.

And 55% of the NY population is in the 18-54 age group: https://newyork.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm

Younger people are less likely to get it and much less likely to die from it. That's my point: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...ortality-rate-among-older-patients.html.
https://github.com/cmrivers/ncov/blob/master/COVID-19.pdf

I give references to what I find, so others can consider the sources. You should too. smile


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I think the coined term "social distancing" is inappropriate.
Socializing is fraternal and regardless of how it happens: either eye contact, handshake jesture at a distance, vulcan live long and prosper sign, elbowing at a distance, or any other fraternal sign language keeping that 6 foot clearance.
The social contact happens regardless. Its an experience.
I would rename it "physical distancing" and avoid alienating people more than necessary with language that is not filtered through the reflective mind.


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