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MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... #2960693 03/26/20 01:04 PM
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ok, maybe it's just me but...

I made some very nice Rhodes pianos I wanted to save.

The editing would include changes in the AMP effect, the efx1-2 and several more.

Now, about storing sounds or setups the manual states:

"the existing sound (also SETUP memory) will be overwritten with the adjusted sound"

question 1: does it mean that, saving the new sound, I would lose the original "factory" sound?

Finally, all the time I spent fine tuning parameters, in order to achieve the result I wanted, got lost because I was afraid that, hitting the "save" button, I would have overwritten (thus lost) the original preset.

question 2: is there a way to access some kind of "empty memory banks" where I can save new sounds and settings, yet keeping the original ones?

It wouldn't make much sense to give the possibility of saving new sounds if that meant losing the old ones, so I'm inclined to believe there must be a way to do it.

Apparently the manual is not very explicit about this matter (or maybe it was me that I couldn't find anything explicit about it...)

question 3: there is a "factory reset" option: does that mean I can restore the piano to its original state, sounds, settings, and all, no matter what I changed?

I would make a statue* of anybody who can solve this issue

*if I could grin

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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960701 03/26/20 01:24 PM
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#1 - No

#2 - Yes (Owners Manual 64-66)

#3 - Yes (Page 117)


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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960705 03/26/20 01:36 PM
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Thanks for your reply smile

I'm checking...

Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960708 03/26/20 01:42 PM
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They did it really nicely - you can restore single presets from factory ones - so no need to worry. So even overwriting Sound presets you can restore.

Start using Setup slots - if you didn't already - sound ones remains as they are. More settings on panel follow as well.

And don't forget your savior - own storage on usb. Make backups.


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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Nip] #2960711 03/26/20 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dmd
#1 - No

#2 - Yes (Owners Manual 64-66)

ok, those are there pages where it says "the existing sound will be overwritten"

So apparently if I store a modified sound, it should replace the factory one...

Originally Posted by Nip
They did it really nicely - you can restore single presets from factory ones - so no need to worry. So even overwriting Sound presets you can restore.

Start using Setup slots - if you didn't already - sound ones remains as they are. More settings on panel follow as well.

And don't forget your savior - own storage on usb. Make backups.

good to know but... So far I don't have clear if a new"setup slot" would overwrite the old one

The USB thing seems useful, though I still have to figure it out

Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960715 03/26/20 02:02 PM
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setup slots.... uhmmm

did I just found a bunch of empty ones?

MIDI master
MIDI layers
MIDI zones

...?

that's GOTTA be the solution! laugh

Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960728 03/26/20 02:46 PM
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The ones on preset buttons are not the factory ones, just copies - you can overwrite.
And then restore from factory elsewhere that cannot be destroyed.
All very safe and well made.

usb - just stick a memory stick in there - and go to system menu and make backup of your own choices you made stored all over.

Setup slots are just different in that they store panel settings, layers you set up and so on.
Ready to use, like a performer on stage for a certain song etc.

I'm fond of doing piano with a slow swell on choirs etc - perfect for that kind of thing.


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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Nip] #2960732 03/26/20 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nip
The ones on preset buttons are not the factory ones, just copies - you can overwrite.
And then restore from factory elsewhere that cannot be destroyed.
All very safe and well made.
ok, but if I overwrite one of them, I lose the original until I restore it, right?

I found out I can use the setup slots, instead:
thanks, that was a good suggestion smile
(I "would" owe you a statue, but... read the asterisk)

me, instead, I like to reproduce as faithfully as possible the original sound of an instrument. Now I'm working of some Fender Rhodes and they're coming out nice...

Good thing now I can save them too! laugh

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ES8 has what they call "Registrations" where one can save modified versions of the sounds (with virtual technician) as well as splits, layers etc. The factory sounds are not changed (if one doesn't want them to be). And you can save these Registrations to a USB stick and restore them after a factory reset.

Doesn't MP7SE have something similar?


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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960741 03/26/20 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragtime2k
Originally Posted by Nip
The ones on preset buttons are not the factory ones, just copies - you can overwrite.
And then restore from factory elsewhere that cannot be destroyed.
All very safe and well made.
ok, but if I overwrite one of them, I lose the original until I restore it, right?

I found out I can use the setup slots, instead:
thanks, that was a good suggestion smile
(I "would" owe you a statue, but... read the asterisk)

me, instead, I like to reproduce as faithfully as possible the original sound of an instrument. Now I'm working of some Fender Rhodes and they're coming out nice...

Good thing now I can save them too! laugh



My suggestion is that you hold off building things that you wish to keep until you have a clear understanding of how those preset sounds (storing, changing and saving) work.

Otherwise, you are likely to put in a lot of work and be disappointed when things do not work the way you "thought".


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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960781 03/26/20 05:36 PM
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well... it does work with the setups, quite easily

I made a couple of Rhodes I can't stop playing with and... now I have them saved! wink

Originally Posted by EVC2017
Doesn't MP7SE have something similar?
apparently yes but they're called "setups"

thank you guys, it's a good starting point to understand how this thing works. I only have it since a few days but... I'm getting there smile

Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960851 03/26/20 10:05 PM
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Hello Ragtime2k,

To answer your questions:

Originally Posted by Ragtime2k
question 1: does it mean that, saving the new sound, I would lose the original "factory" sound?


Yes, storing a SOUND (when not in SETUP mode) will overwrite the settings associated with that sound.
However, these settings can be restored with a Factory Reset, or be resetting individual sounds as desired.


Finally, all the time I spent fine tuning parameters, in order to achieve the result I wanted, got lost because I was afraid that, hitting the "save" button, I would have overwritten (thus lost) the original preset.

Originally Posted by Ragtime2k
question 2: is there a way to access some kind of "empty memory banks" where I can save new sounds and settings, yet keeping the original ones?


Switch to SETUP mode - there are hundreds of memory banks that can be used to store adjusted sounds.
Some of these SETUPs also include Kawai-created settings, however these can easily be overwritten, or restored.

Originally Posted by Ragtime2k
question 3: there is a "factory reset" option: does that mean I can restore the piano to its original state, sounds, settings, and all, no matter what I changed?


Yes.

As others have suggested, I believe it's useful to spend some time experimenting with creating and storing SETUPs so that it becomes fluent and intuitive for you.

Best of luck!

Kind regards,
James
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Re: MP7SE - BIG questions about saving stuff... [Re: Ragtime2k] #2960908 Yesterday at 05:45 AM
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thank you James smile

yes, I finally figured it out. The way to save custom setups is thru... the setup mode! laugh

and there is a lot of empty banks, so no problem at all.

besides, I don't particularly like the "Kawai-created settings", so that's more free banks available to overwrite...

I have to see how big, in term of byte, is a setup file once you save it in a memory stick.

If it is small enough to be sent by email, we could create an "MP7SE setup exchange network", thru this forum... who knows, it could be interesting. wink


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